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ANyone have any manuals from the turn of the century to about 1935? What are the chances of some photocopies of this data? I am willing to pay! Thanks, moodyholler
 

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Hi Moodyholler! I have old loading mauals from that era. My Lyman #34 lists the loads for .25-20 WCF and .25-20 SS as the same! I will try to scan the page and send it your way. If that doesn't work, I'll just email the data to you.
 

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moody....I went back to 1902, but the earliest that the Ideal Handbook lists any loads for the small calibers is 1927, which is handbook #28. The only recognizable powder is 5 grains of Unique for bullet # 257283 (85 grains). The rest of the powders are #80, Lightning, etc. A few earlier handbooks list loads for "High Power" calibers (30-06, etc.), but no small calibers.

Remember that the 25-20 S.S. was black powder when it first came out (20 grains, 86 grain bullet).

What are you shooting (rifle)?

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mm93 address is moodyholler @ cox.net thanks, I am shooting it in a Remington #2 made around 1910. Thanks a bunch. moodyholler
 

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Max, my #34 (1940) Ideal book shows the loads for the .25-20WCF, and says they are also for the .25-20SS. Take a look at your old manuals, and I'd guess they also say the same.
Moodyholler,
Cartridges of the World also has some load data for the .25-20SS. It lists:
60 SP 8.0 gr. of 2400, 1535 fps
65 cast, 8.0 gr. 2400, 1620 fps
86 SP 8.5 gr. IMR 4227, 1400 fps

I'll email the data from Ideal's manual to you. Tried to scan it, but scanner program is acting up.
 

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Thanks a bunch!! moodyholler
 

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Ok, went back and looked at the others and here is what I found....

#28 (1927,28,29)...Lyman handbook...1st charge table as we know it today.....25-20R and S.S. listed together.
#27 (1926)...1st Lyman handbook...no charge table, but has some recommended charges listed with each individual cast bullet description....kind of informal.
#26 (1915,1916)....Last Marlin handbook...again no charge table, some loads in the individual bullet descriptions, but much less.
#25 (1914)...Marlin handbook...same as #26 but less loads.
#17 (1906)....Ideal Handbook...only a couple of loads under a few cast bullet types.
#14 (1902)...Ideal handbook.....no recommended loads anywhere.

Interestingly enough, in the later books, there are references to Hercules Marksman and Lightning powders, in the earlier books it's Laflin and Rand Marksman and Lightning powders. Guess who bought who?

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Interesting info Max! I've only got one early Ideal manual, and it gives little or no info. Seems the later manuals that I have from the late 1930's on, give more info than the early ones did!
Moddy, sent the data to you!
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Thanks, Val. You gentlemen are the best. Your data gives a couple more choices than I had. moodyholler
 

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That's a pretty rare caliber for a #2 Remington! I sure like the unuasual look of the #2, with it's scalloped receiver, it's probably one of the best looking Rolling Blocks. Mine is a .22LR caliber. Not as common as a .32, but still pretty common.
 
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