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Me and my friend here in Brooklyn are looking to buy land, preferably eastern PA, or anywhere not too far outside of New York; just a few acres of undeveloped land to buy for cheap and hunt or camp and shoot on. I'm gonna look into buying land near state parks or game areas so we can eventually knock a few trees down to build a small trapper cabin on our land and have the rest of our land plus the game areas to hunt on.

Can anyone on here recommend an area to look into? We're looking for minimal expenses (low property taxes) and wooded areas.
Can anyone suggest ideas to keep in mind when looking into property?

I'm young and I believe that investing in property is a good idea for long term, plus the perks of having land to have fun on seems worth it to make this investment. Thoughts?
 

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You are right to invest in property and you are really right not looking at property in NYS. Our property taxes are outrageous.
 

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You may want to consider looking for property further west rather than eastern PA. That area of PA has turned into an extension of New Jersey. Even Mt Pocono has a HUGE shopping mall right up the road on route 940. Fifty years ago that area was a small Honeymoon town. Quiet and rural. Even Tobyhanna (north of Mt. Pocono) has trouble with Gangs. Now, there are Casinos there, ski resorts bring in city people, and I doubt you would have any peace and quiet, much less a hunting camp.

You would be better off driving past Route 15 via Interstate 80, which is about a hour or a little longer drive. City people don't commute that far west. Beyond there heading west are the "Pennsylvania Wilds". You might buy an existing hunting camp via an estate sale. When older people die off, often times the younger generation doesn't want the hunting camp, or wants to sell it and the property to get the $$$. Its a lot more remote, AND there is still plenty of game. You have to think of the future. As city people have moved west into Eastern PA, property is expensive, so are the taxes, and its not a place to hunt.

I would avoid a realtor if you can if you are low budget. There are auction sites on the Internet based in Central PA and often times you can buy something at fair market price and avoid huge commissions. The Internet is your friend.



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Although we all have are personal ties and limitations, I would purchase land 1000-2000 miles west. I have elderly parents and a big investment in land here in Central NYS, but if I was able I would be looking in the area of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, etc.
 

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On thing about land, God's not making any more of it.I don't know exactly where you have land in Central NY, but its got to be worth a lot of money. Buying land with plans to build a hunting camp for younger folks has to have the future kept in mind. Back in the 1950's my family would go to my uncles cabin on Lake Wallenpapac (Spell) that was located in NE PA. Back then it was all two lane roads, and once we got to the Lake, it was all dirt roads. Wilderness by todays standards. I spoke to a few people that have houses in NE PA and the ones that use them for a weekend retreat have had problems with Vandalism. A women I met at a conference here in central PA told me she was afraid to go out after dark. She lives in a development in Tobyhanna PA. Gangs and crime. No thank you.

Hunters have to get away from easy driving distance from cities. 60 percent of the state of PA is still wooded. Move far enough west and to North Central PA, I doubt it will be overly developed in a young person's life time.


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I've been looking at PA land too. North East PA seems to be the most reasonably priced, you can get about 50 acres for under $200,000.00 in the rural areas. A lot of it abuts state reserves and preserves, which is good because you don't have to worry about it being developed and getting squeezed out by builders.

From time to time, I stumble across a nice big lot that is owned by east coast hunters who are ageing and no longer want/need the property. Many lots have a cabin on it already. I use Zillow to do searches. Easy to use and you can put in very specific criteria to cull your results.
 

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If you believe that $200,000 for 50 acres of land is reasonable, God bless you. Its a lot cheaper out in North Central PA, especially wooded land that is not developed at all. There are a lot of areas that would be excellent to put up a hunting camp, or buy someone else's property at an estate sale. Some wooded land that is for sale can be sub-divided in 5 acre plots, and there is land for sale close to state game lands too.



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If you believe that $200,000 for 50 acres of land is reasonable, God bless you.......

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My home in NJ is 1200sqft on a 50x150 lot and is valued at $300,000.00. Taxes are $6.500.00. What you would consider expensive is cheap by comparison to me.

I know there is land available even cheaper than the $200K I mentioned, but there are other factors involved. How close to a hospital, accessibility to municipal services, utilities, is it all wooded or is there arable land I can plant on with a water supply for irrigation, etc. I just saw a nice 48 acre lot in NE PA for $73K, but it's nowhere near anything and the ground is all shale and rocks. That may be fine for a hermit, but I like to be around people.
 
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On thing about land, God's not making any more of it.I don't know exactly where you have land in Central NY, but its got to be worth a lot of money. Buying land with plans to build a hunting camp for younger folks has to have the future kept in mind. Back in the 1950's my family would go to my uncles cabin on Lake Wallenpapac (Spell) that was located in NE PA. Back then it was all two lane roads, and once we got to the Lake, it was all dirt roads. Wilderness by todays standards. I spoke to a few people that have houses in NE PA and the ones that use them for a weekend retreat have had problems with Vandalism. A women I met at a conference here in central PA told me she was afraid to go out after dark. She lives in a development in Tobyhanna PA. Gangs and crime. No thank you.

Hunters have to get away from easy driving distance from cities. 60 percent of the state of PA is still wooded. Move far enough west and to North Central PA, I doubt it will be overly developed in a young person's life time.


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I was actually looking at a small piece of land in Tobyhanna online because it looked affordable. Thanks for this heads up, I'll stay far away from there
 

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If you believe that $200,000 for 50 acres of land is reasonable, God bless you. Its a lot cheaper out in North Central PA, especially wooded land that is not developed at all. There are a lot of areas that would be excellent to put up a hunting camp, or buy someone else's property at an estate sale. Some wooded land that is for sale can be sub-divided in 5 acre plots, and there is land for sale close to state game lands too.


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That's exactly what I was looking into, 5 acres give or take near game lands
 

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My home in NJ is 1200sqft on a 50x150 lot and is valued at $300,000.00. Taxes are $6.500.00. What you would consider expensive is cheap by comparison to me.

I know there is land available even cheaper than the $200K I mentioned, but there are other factors involved. How close to a hospital, accessibility to municipal services, utilities, is it all wooded or is there arable land I can plant on with a water supply for irrigation, etc. I just saw a nice 48 acre lot in NE PA for $73K, but it's nowhere near anything and the ground is all shale and rocks. That may be fine for a hermit, but I like to be around people.
The OP is looking for land to put a hunting Camp and cabin. Your criteria is different than his criteria.


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I was actually looking at a small piece of land in Tobyhanna online because it looked affordable. Thanks for this heads up, I'll stay far away from there
I lived in Tobyhorror for a few years - escaped in 1999. It was already infested with gangs at that time. A couple guys from NY bought some property behind my development to use for hunting. It was wetlands so it could never be built on. Developers just built around it, choking off any decent hunting.

I've got some friends about 15 minutes from Wallenpaupack. For the last 100+ years, his, and two other, family has a nice private hunting ground near Skytop Lodge. Probably one of the best places to hunt in Pocono area.

Newfoundland/ Greentown area hasn't been built up so much (yet) if you still want to stay in that part of PA.


But as Mike T stated, definitely stay away from Mt. Pocono/ Tobyhanna. And think seriously about going further west.
 

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Keep looking. The woman that I mentioned in Tobyhanna told me about that 10 years ago, its only gotten worse. Its not far enough away from highly populated cities to consider buying land and putting up a cabin. There are people that have camps in Central and North Central PA that live farther away than you do. They use the camp a few times a year and have a large enough group that are close that keep an eye on the camp. The last thing they want is to get to their camp before hunting season and find the place vandalized, smashed up, and anything of value stolen. Generally we don't have much of a problem with camps getting trashed out here, you might want to keep an eye on regional websites and read local papers that are on line. Keep an eye on the Lock Haven Express, which is situated in Clinton County. Lock Haven is located on the southern end of parts of the PA Wild's and people advertise in there with a number of things for sale that are hunting related. There are several hunting camps that I know of in Clearfield County close to where I go camping, that are only used by hunters a few time a year and I have never seen them Vandalized. Generally. its safer the further west of any large city you go. Some people that hunt in central PA take vacation time during hunting season so they don't have to hurry to get back to work. Driving a little further west will be a safer investment too.



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The OP is looking for land to put a hunting Camp and cabin. Your criteria is different than his criteria.


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That may be so, but the OP said:
undeveloped land to buy for cheap and hunt or camp and shoot on.
On 5 acres, you can only do one out of the three things in his criteria safely. May be a good place to park a camper and then go off to state game lands for shooting and hunting. I dunno man. I would not shoot anything bigger than a 22lr or maybe some pistols (if there was a proper backstop) on 5 acres. Traveling 300 miles to shoot pistols and hunt rabbits don't make much sense to me. Would be pretty good for bow hunting though.
 

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5 Acres close enough to PA Game Lands is enough room to put a camper to start with and save up for building a cabin later. Anyone that buys a PA Hunting License can legally use the State Game Lands for target shooting, provided they use firearms that are legal to hunt with in PA (no semi autos) and have a safe back drop behind their target. They would not have to buy a large parcel of land in order to have a place for target practice. Some State Game Lands have a Range that Hunters can use for free provided they have a valid PA Hunting License. PA has a lot of State Game Lands and lots of wooded forests and places to camp. Anyone that wants to camp and go hunting (without owning land) can get a camping permit in a PA State Forest and use that for home base. Camping Permits are Free, just call the District Forest office, give them your information, and they will mail it to you. Free area Maps to. There is a place close to where I camp outside of Quehanna Wild Area that Hunters use during Hunting season.

You don't have to be rich to Hunt in PA. Just buy a license and obey the laws. Don't leave a mess for someone else to clean up.


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That may be so, but the OP said:


On 5 acres, you can only do one out of the three things in his criteria safely. May be a good place to park a camper and then go off to state game lands for shooting and hunting. I dunno man. I would not shoot anything bigger than a 22lr or maybe some pistols (if there was a proper backstop) on 5 acres. Traveling 300 miles to shoot pistols and hunt rabbits don't make much sense to me. Would be pretty good for bow hunting though.
That's why I'm looking into property near gamelands/state lands. I have a few small acres to develop however I want on it and then all of the other lands surrounding to camp and shoot on. One of my inlaws did the same thing in NJ, it's like buying 5 and having hundreds or thousands more for fun
 
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