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There were 2441 made. Now and again one will show up on the auction block, you can check Auction Arms, Gunbroker and a few others. One or two a year may posted on this board, they don't leave a shadow. Hope you fine one, to quote Big Med, "good luck..."

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If all you want is the caliber, easiest thing is to have a 30-30 rebored. If you want a original ER, see Big Medicines post.
 

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Another option is to just break down and get the Winchester. About killed me, but the gun is accurate and tough. I bought mine for 450$ last Fall. I shoot recommended powder levels and get WAY higher velocity than what Hodgden intended or indicated. Has absolutely no pressure signs, and it sure seems that my gun matches 358 ballistics with ease.
 

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hard to find 336 in 356....

great info from all. ok, so who converts 35s to 356? marlin?

also, anybody ever seen a 336 in 375? i found one, but cant find in any blue book.........

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If you find a 336 in 375 it is a conversion. There really is no logic to it, but the 375's were just 375's. They are much more common and can be loaded to approximately the same velocity with 200gr. bullet (with one powder). They should be cheaper. I found a darned good one last Fall for 350$. Factory 375 is anemic and the 356 easily out does the 375 in this catagory. It is much more realistic to get a 375 in Marlin than the 356.

Regan Noneman does conversions for the 35 to 356 for a very reasonable amount.
 

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Yikes ! ? T he 356winny outperforms the 375winny?!.(maybe factory ammo) ,Nope, close, but no cigar.
The 375 winny is a more powerful round , I don't think the game would notice the difference though.
I recently sold my NIB winny 94 in 356, I've got a Marlin 375 on the way and already have a 94 chambered in 375win. ,
But the reason I let my 94 356 go ,is that the ole tried but true 35 Rem. just impresses the heck out of me with those 200gr. Cor-Lokts, and to me increased Vel. is just for increased range.
I like the 45/70 alot but the 444Marlin is a great round also ,it is a ballistic twin to the 405 win. and can be loaded heavy 320gr. hardcast for mean tuff critters or loaded with 300gr. softnose for Deers ,and blackbears,,And the 444M loaded heavy has noticeable less recoil than the 45/70 loaded heavy.
Just my nickles worth ,( hey 2 cents just ain't enuff)
 

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You guys never cease to crack me up!

putting a question on this site is more fun than 3 midget strippers and a bucket of fried chicken!
ok, while in pursuit of the elusive 336 in 356, i found a NIB 336CB in 38-55 yesterday for $475. it now resides in my safe. anybody got any "pet loads" they want to share that increase performance up to or beyond 375 win specs?

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Big Medicine has a smoking 250gr. 335 load for your gun.

They are definitely close, Buckeye, but the 356 was always designed to be a higher velocity round than the old 375. 356 factory loads really whop up on the 375. The 200gr. loadings are 200fps plus different.

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/comparerifle.aspx?symbol=X3561&atype=1&ctype=1&action=1

In my gun: Loaded to their potential:
356 sends a 200gr. at 2560fps with a max of 335. (49gr) -20 in. barrel
375 sends a 200gr. at 2420fps with a max of 1680. (40gr) - 20 in. barrel

both these loads are significantly under their guns intended max pressure

I have pressure info. on the 375 with 1680 and not on the 356. Hodgden said their max load that I use is WAY under their 356 Win guideline, so I could theoretically load up to that potential with more info. I have more case capacity even at max with the 335. Their projected velocities are way under with everything I have taken. H322, H4198, H4895 all top 2400fps easily.

Paper is different than real world. I can overload on the 1680, but the accuracy deteriorates.
You are right. No difference to the animal. The paper loadings for Hodgden are not accurate at all. I have found it very easy to beat their velocities.
 

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chronisc, the .375's model number was simply M375 as Dr. A said. While there were only 2441 356ER's manufactured there were a few more than 16,300 M375's distributed.

Blue Book on the M375 is about $350, however I paid about $450 for mine 3 years ago in 98% condition.

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Dr. A ,I'd like to see a 375 cartridge based on the 358/356 case, it would be best of both worlds.
But the Hornaday 375 220gr. bullet can easily be pushed to 2,230 fps. Thats right in there with the 356 Vel. s with a .375 bullet, and with useing 38-55 brass the 375 bullet can be sent even faster (thinner walls of the 38/55 brass)
But if you have a 356win. you have a real thumper and thats for sure.

You have some humming loads for both cartridges, But I have no interest in 200gr. bullets in ethier of those cartridges,and I'm planning on loading some 250gr. Hard cast bullets in my 375winny. in the future ,I've got to many irons in the fire at this time though.
I'm working on loads for a 8mm-06 ,9.3X62 and a 444M at this time.
 

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chronisc, 38-55 250gn Stone Fence Devastators 29.5 gns of RL7 and 8-9gns of unique for cast. Thats all I use right now I'm planning on trying the H335 loads in it later this year.
 

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38-55 loads

thanks to all for the advice and banter - again a real treat......now somebody find me a 336 in 356 and i will send the check........

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Regan Noneman info???

DR. A, thanks for the info on who might convert a .35 to .356....but how do i find Regan Noneman? and has anybody out there had this done - and been happy?

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http://www.leveractions.com/

There is an argument to be made for conversion to .358. They are very similar, but being a 35 to begin with, the case similarity to 358 is better than 356. Much talk on this over on Beartooth. Other issues of course are if the regular 35 is up to the pressures of a 356 or 358.
 

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You will really like the 38/55, with hand loads it is a force to be reconed with. I'm shooting the Stone Fence 250 gr JFP bullet with 37.5 grains of H335. I have killed deer out to 160 yards, it lays them out dead! If you want to get some of the Stone Fence bullets here is Daves email. He makes a great jacketed .378 dia bullet!! [email protected]
 
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