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I have just purchased a Model 1894CB in 44Mag. It has a 20" octagon barrel. I also have a bolt action Ruger in 44Mag that I already load for but have always wanted a lever action Marlin. I am getting ready to start working up some rounds for this rifle and I am just looking for other peoples experience with loading for this firearm. I will be using either Hodgdon H110 or Alliant 2400 powder. The bullets I have on hand are Hornady 225gr FTX's, Nosler 240gr JSP's, Sierra 240gr JHC's, and Hornady 200gr XTP's. Would like to know what loads other people use for deer hunting with there 1894's. Has anyone experienced any OAL issues with these rifles? Thanks for any info.
 

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I've never loaded any 200 grain jacketed slugs,only use 240's. I load 240 gr Nosler,Sierra,and Hornady XTP's with 18.5 gr of 2400 or 18.5 grains of AA#9 and a standard primer. These are not top loads,but case life is excellent. The primer pockets are still tight after 10 loads,when I consign the shells to low velocity cast bullet loads. Lately I've been loading 23.0 grains of IMR 4227,because it's always available,and the other powders can be hard to find.
I've shot big Black Hills deer,and a few pigs in Texas with the 240 XTP,and just deer with the 240 Sierras. The animals die quickly and humanely. I've always been skeptical about 200 grain slugs,but our other members may have had good results.
Hope this helps.

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H110 is fine...I've had no issues with OAL, but I always keep
everything standard length with leverguns.
The best bullets are the .430" stuff Hornady makes. I never
shot a deer with mine but they do a real good job on hogs.
I really like that 225gr FTX, but the XTP is a good bullet too.
 

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23gr H110 pushing a 300gr Barnes does awesome damage. We use 200gr cast for plinkers, and they still ring the 200 yard gong
Ummm that's a pretty stiff load for 240 gr boolit much less 300 gr - you recollecting that right?
 

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I don't remember the longest load but it's well past the supposed COAL - I think about 1.68"
The only thing I've ever had issues feeding is the Keith style SWC. I've shot the Lyman and NEI cast with abbreviated shoulders and they shoot ok.
Those Sierra 240 JHC are tackdrivers - I load them with about 21.5-22.5 gr of H110 and they just plain haul butt and are very consistent. They should make a fine deer round.
The Hornady 265 JSP was intended for the 444 but it shoots very well out of the 1894 - just don't try to push it too hard - I use about 18.5 gr of 2400 for this one.
My preference in cast is the 265 WFN from an Accurate mold. Runner up is the NEI #252 which weighs in about 260 gr. I use about 16.5-17.5 gr of 2400 behind these. I find that if you have microgroove barrel it helps the groups to keep the velocity under 1500 fps.
 

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I use both H110 and LiLGun. I use LiLGun for the 225g FTX and I also trim the cases. The Ftx have been good to me for whitetail and I keep 100 loaded most of the time in special short cases separate from all others. Tried a few powders and LiLGun was best for me to replicate the ballistics and accuracy I get with the Ftx factory loads. With 20.1g LiLGun, case trimmed to 1.255", COL of 1.645", Winchester large Pistol primer in either Hornady or R-P cases I chrono and group the same as factory ammo in my gun. Not a Marlin sorry its a Winchester 94AE, 18" barrel.
I always use the Winchester Large Pistol primer std, or mag.
I use 20.8g H110 for 240g XTP for bear and hogs. For cheap plinkin, 200g ACME cast with 5.5g of Titegroup does really fine and shoots soft.
All the above give me good groups at 50, 100, and150yds which is far as I go.FWIW
 

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Have never used the 200gr XTP on deer. I did test it on a simulated deer target made up of layers of soaked paper and 1/8 inch lexan (simulated ribs) rolled up in a fresh deer hide, set at 50yd, using max loads. More wet paper behind the target was used to catch the bullets. The 200 XTP did well enough, where the 180 xtp didn't do well enough (meaning it did not pass thru target). All the 240s tested did well. The Nosler 240 is probably the softest available and almost slipped its jacket a few times. The Hornady and Rem 240 HP are outstanding. Winchester and Remington 240gr softpoints perform alike, penetrating about 20% deeper than the HPs. The HPs expanding a bit more, and more importantly upsetting earlier. Prior to this test, I would have never considered a 240gr HP out of a rifle for deer, but now realize it should be very effective. The 265gr flex tip did well. The 300gr Hornady barely expanded and the 300gr Speer performed as a solid. Ended up going with the Winchester 240gr HSP , which behaves more like a SP, because in this crazy market it was the one bullet I could find in bulk. Like most people, I've always used a standard 240gr SP, with no compliant.

Seems like most 44 rifles are going to shoot 240gr bullets about as good as they can with 24grs of 296 or H110. Never had an any length issues, when keeping cases trimmed and crimping within the canulure.
 

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Salmon30. for my own learning.. isn't that load of 20.8grs of h110 a little light as far as powder goes? My son's 94ae uses a near max load of h110 with a 240gr speer jsp for bear and hogs. He had to use that load to get consistant burn.... accuracy was real good with a max load and it was terrable with the light loads. All my manuals run from 23-24.5 grs for h110.... not saying your load is wrong at all.... I was just curious. :hmmmm: CWT
 

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Salmon30. for my own learning.. isn't that load of 20.8grs of h110 a little light as far as powder goes? My son's 94ae uses a near max load of h110 with a 240gr speer jsp for bear and hogs. He had to use that load to get consistant burn.... accuracy was real good with a max load and it was terrable with the light loads. All my manuals run from 23-24.5 grs for h110.... not saying your load is wrong at all.... I was just curious. :hmmmm: CWT
Nope you're about right - although I prefer 22.5 for H110 and when this bottle is gone I won't use it anymore - I like Lil' Gun a lot better.

From Hodgdon

BULLET WEIGHT
240 GR. NOS JHP
Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam.
C.O.L.
Grs.
Vel. (ft/s)
Pressure
Grs.
Vel. (ft/s)
Pressure
Hodgdon H110 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1,750 25,200 CUP 24.0 1,817 36,200 CUP

BULLET WEIGHT
300 GR. HDY XTP
Starting Loads Maximum Loads
Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam.
C.O.L.
Grs.
Vel. (ft/s)
Pressure
Grs.
Vel. (ft/s)
Pressure
Hodgdon H110 .430" 1.600" 18.0 1,393 35,100 CUP 19.0 1,473 38,800 CUP
 

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I've had the best luck for accuracy and 240 gr bullets using H-110/W-296. 23.0 gr of W-296, primed with a WLP, under just about every 240 gr bullet I've tried is my go to load in the 1894. 23.0 gr of W-296 has also worked very well under 240 gr cast gas-checked boolits (the NEI #252 is my favorite). I've burned some Li'L Gun in mine as well, and it did very well also, but I haven't seen it around these parts for a long time. 2400 works fine for most stuff, but in my rifle, the velocity I was trying for wasn't quite there and the accuracy wasn't quite as good as I had hoped. That being said, 2400 is my go to powder for the heavier loads in my Ruger SBH and it works well in my revolver.

Might have to give 4227 a try one of these days. Tracking down some powder will be the hard part.

Like every other handload - - what works well in mine may not work so well in yours... Work your way up to what you believe is an appropriate load in your rifle, and you'll find what works the best along the way.
 

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I'll climb on the Lil Gun bandwagon, it does real well, continue on with H110 cuz I have a bunch. Lil Gun is the go powder in the 22 Hornet (case absolutely almost full, l seem to recall 12.4 grs and 45gr Sierra bullet is my load, very fast 2800 fps, very accurate), and believe it or not the 10mm with 180grs. Killed deer with that Hornet load, but am sure the 200gr XTP 44 is far more qualified.
 

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Just got a new higher front Fire Sight on the 1894 tonight. Been using those 240XTP's with 22.3grs of 110, with WLP primers. I've had to aim at the waist of a full size silhouette to hit it in the chest at 100yds with the ghost ring. I've also gotten good results with the 300XTP's and 15.8 of 2400.
 

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I hope I can be excused for not having an 1894, but I have been doing a bit of experimenting for a Rossi R92 the last year. For the last 2-3 months I've become hooked on the LeadHead 265 gr gas checked bullets loaded with either A 2400 or AA#9. I'm now down to specifically working on the AA#9 loads in the 17.9 gr to 18.2 gr charges. I've worked several loads from 17.5 to 18.7 gr and it seems that my most accurate loads were in the 17.8 to 18.2 gr charges. A 17.9 gr load of AA#9 with the LeadHead 265 bullet shot a pretty nice 1.4 inch group off a rough rest, factory irons, and my really poor vision at 50 yards. That's enough for me to want to taint a 92 style lever gun with a scout scope, and the Weaver K4 Scout Classic is on my "must have" list now. The next best bullet I've found for accuracy is the old standby - Hornady 240 gr XTP with either A2400 or AA#9, both at 19.5 gr. I'm determined to use nothing but lead now that my barrel is getting well seasoned. I'm loving the LeadHeads.

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20.8g H110 and 240g XTP gets me 1540fps. My Hornady manual 9th ed. runs from 19.4 to 24.8 with H110. I'm not much of a max load shooter and happy with groupings at this velocity.
 

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20.8g H110 and 240g XTP gets me 1540fps. My Hornady manual 9th ed. runs from 19.4 to 24.8 with H110. I'm not much of a max load shooter and happy with groupings at this velocity.
Good deal... It's interesting how all these differnt manuals have such a wide range of loads for h110 especially on the low & max end. We could not get the light loads to shoot as tight a group as we wanted. When we got close to max everything changed for the better ... real good groups now. CWT
 

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Same deal with my 1894... Regardless of whether I'm shooting cast or jacketed bullets, the 240's shoot the best at around 1,740 from mine, and 23.0gr of H-110/W-296 does exactly that. Can't remember the charge weight of Li'l Gun that I used to get to the same point, but accuracy was comparable. 2400 just didn't get me where those bullets needed to be for the best accuracy. FWIW, my 1894 doesn't shoot any bullet over 260 gr worth a hoot... 240's are the gold standard in my rifle.

As Papajohn always says, the rifle will tell you what it likes, and each one is a bit different. Mine is certainly no exception to that.
 

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As Papajohn always says, the rifle will tell you what it likes, and each one is a bit different. Mine is certainly no exception to that.
+1 :tee: How true this is..
 

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I hope I can be excused for not having an 1894, but I have been doing a bit of experimenting for a Rossi R92 the last year.
JD
Different animal if you're talking the microgroove barrel with a what-the-heck-were-they-thinking slow 1:38 twist to complicate things.
They're known to "not like" heavier boolits - heavy being who you talk to. I think I get good results because I slow mine down to under 1,500 fps. Even the 300's get decent groups going slow.
 
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