[cushrmg]

All, I have a ported 1895GS that I love! My pet whitetail load uses Speer 400gr jacketed FN and 45.0gr. of IMR 3031...plenty of hot enough for the use, accuarate as hell and great results on the deer.

Anyway, I want to load some Hornady 350gr FP bullets for Moose and Black Bear. Powders on hand are of course, 3031, and reloader 7. My question lies in the difference between my Lyman 49th and the IMR website...the IMR web data seems much hotter when still using the lever action data.

What do you all like for this bullet? Remember, this will be a moose load but I really don't need to push this to MACH1. Thanks.

 

[Pard]

The IMR/Hodgen website says if you do not follow their formula exactly, you can damage your rifle, and or YOU.

We quit using it all together after a friend kept splitting 308 cases, with their load.
I love Reloader 7 for 45-70. Its all I use. Speers 400FN flies better in my rifles than the Hornady 350s did.

 

[Dr. A]

Hogdon's information is fine, but like all things, there is variation amongst firearms. That's why we work up loads. Start 10% down and work up. Rel. 7 is a favorite of the fast crowd, as is H4198. I use H322 also for my higher velocity stuff. Much less sensitivity to temperatures than 3031 and of course Rel. 7. I would guess your deer load for your 350gr. bullet would work great for elk anyway...

 

[wayneo73]

Hogdon's information is fine, but like all things, there is variation amongst firearms. That's why we work up loads. Start 10% down and work up. Rel. 7 is a favorite of the fast crowd, as is H4198. I use H322 also for my higher velocity stuff. Much less sensitivity to temperatures than 3031 and of course Rel. 7. I would guess your deer load for your 350gr. bullet would work great for elk anyway...

10% down from their minimum or max? In the 45-70 category their minimum is over hornady's max????

 

[1895Gunner]

10% down from their minimum or max? In the 45-70 category their minimum is over hornady's max????

Sorry, I have to ask - is the Hornady load data you're refering to for short shell FTX 325gr loads or for full length brass and 350gr bullets?

 

[Dr. A]

You start 10 percent below max and work up. I don't have rel 7 data but it is around. I am also certain you could get at least 2000fps in your guide gun.

 

[gunlaker]

I've found that Hodgdon's starting load in the levergun category with the Hornady 350gr RN bullet and IMR-3031 is very accurate and gave almost exactly 1900fps out of my guide gun. I also played with H-4198 and this bullet but the accuracy was not quite as good.

Chris.

 

[wayneo73]

Sorry, I have to ask - is the Hornady load data you're refering to for short shell FTX 325gr loads or for full length brass and 350gr bullets?

i don't believe so... i'll have to double check though.

being new to reloading, it's very alarming to see one data source's minimum being over another source's max. i'd feel a heck of alot better if there was at least some overlap!

 

[Dr. A]

This will come to play particularly in the 45-70 when different companies have loads to different pressures. They also define a trapdoor/Levergun/Ruger#1 differently. Don't get rattled. Look at the pressures, OALs, and particularly the powder. I mistook H4198 for IMR4198. I was OK (seeing as the one I choose was slower), but wouldn't have been OK the other way around.

The more sources you check, the more knowledge you will glean. Stay with what is comfortable and don't try to break any records.

 

[wayneo73]

i guess i picked a confusing round to start with on reloading ???

i realize the difference between the trapdoor/lever/ruger1 pressure capabilities. the difference i was referring to was information from 2 sources for levers AND for the same load/components.

 

[Dr. A]

Real Guns has Rel. 7 maxed out at 53.5gr. with Remington brass (primer?) and the Hornady 350flat nose. That'll take you to the netherworld. Perhaps 47gr. from Lyman would be enough? You'll have to decide. I know many fellows using the 51.5gr. Remington is the smaller capacity brass which is important. Starline is marginally larger and Winchester is the largest capacity. Something else to think about.

 

[preacher]

I have used between 45-47 grains ( depending on the rifle) of H4198 and the Hornady 350 Round Nose. It is a proven elk load here in Utah ( not me, several folks I know, I never shot an elk (yet) with a 45-70.

 

[architeuthis]

http://www.loaddata.com

pure awesomness.

 

[jimone]

I have found the HDY 350 FP to need to be seated a little deeper than the HDY 350 RN, be careful to trim cases and crimp firmly to keep .010" off the lands to prevent high pressures.
Case brand and OAL should always accompany powder charges in these posts.
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