Del

1 - 16 of 16 Posts

Del

The old 30-30 does very well with available powders also. If you have a real need for speed, then a 300 Savage in a Savage 99 or a new Marlin .308 ME is the way to go. Good luck.

Joined

·
3,495 Posts

Joined

·
221 Posts

Joined

·
1,982 Posts

What engine would be the best to stick in a Model A Ford and turn it in to a Formula 1 racer?

My point is simply this --- the traditional standard ballistics for a .30-30 circa 2200-2300 for a 150 gr. bullet, 2100 fps for a 170) are darned near ideal for what a .30-30 carbine was designed to do, which is slay medium to large thin-skinned game at ranges out to maybe 200 or so yards. With well-placed shots, the extra 100 or maybe 150 fps you can get by goosing it will make no discernible difference in performance.

If you need the extra horsepower for longer shots, or shots at bigger game, juicing up the .30-30 will be a poor substitute for just stepping up to something more like a .300 Savage, .308, or bigger. You simply will never turn the old .30-30 in to much more than what it is -- and what it is is plenty good enough.

Joined

·
1,982 Posts

Well, not from a marketing standpoint, surely, because folks will always go for a gimmick. But a gimnmick it is, and one of limited utility.BillyHill said:I guess you're right pisgah. It was probably a total waste of time with Hornady developing their leverevolution ammunition.

I'll elaborate. Look at the Hornady ballistic chart and note two things:

-- First, having chronoed many, many .30-30 loads in my time, I will absolutely guarantee you that all velocities quoted were from 24" barrels. No factory 150 or 170 gr. loads will equal the velocities shown, and neither will the LE round, from a 20" carbine, which is what the vast majority of .30-30 shooters are using. True, the LE will outspeed standard loads in a carbine, too, but the differences will not be as dramatic, and the resulting trajectory and energy figures shown become pure bunk.

-- Second, note that the LE's figures are shown for a 200 yard zero, while the standard loads are shown with a 100 yard zero. Make that 100 yard figure for the standard loads 3" high to match the LE, and all of a sudden the trajectory advantage of the LE ammo out at 300 yards all but vanishes -- the difference becomes .6" WITH A 20" BARREL AND ATTENDANT LOWER VELOCITIES -- use a 24" barrel for the standards and the difference is even smaller -- and very few can even see or hold to within .6" at that range. True, the remaining energy will be higher for the LE at long range, given the higher velocity; but keep in mind, they've jiggered the velocity figures, as well.

I am not saying that souped up handloads or LE ammo offer no advantages -- but they are very, very small. I will say again, if you need more gun, get it, and don't fool yourself in to thinking you're getting it for free with magic ammo.

Joined

·
3,495 Posts

Joined

·
1,982 Posts

If you buy their figures, you are correct. If you actually chron loads from rifles and shoot them at 300 yards, you will find out otherwise.BillyHill said:

Again, not saying there's no advantage -- just that they exaggerate it significantly.

Joined

·
3,495 Posts

I'm haven't got the 30/30 or 44 mag bullets to load those. They seem to as scarce as hens teeth but I'm sure they will become available soon.

Joined

·
9,145 Posts

Now if a person shoots most of his deer under 100 yards there really isn't much of an advantage, but if you hunt where the possibility of a 300 yard exist, the advantage is there.

as far as a real advantage or gimmic if you look at Hornadys Factory ammo ballistic for each of their 30-30 loads there is a distinct advantage at 300 yards.

140 gr Monoflex load with a BC of .277 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1653 and energy at 850

150 gr RN interlock with BC of .186 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1276 and energy at 542

160 gr FTX with BC of .241 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1699 and energy at 1025

170 gr FP Interlock with BC of .189 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1186 and energy at 530

There is also a big advantage at 100 yards in terms of energy, but will an animal know at 100 yards? not likely

Joined

·
6,016 Posts

Well thought out and said.big medicine said:

Now if a person shoots most of his deer under 100 yards there really isn't much of an advantage, but if you hunt where the possibility of a 300 yard exist, the advantage is there.

as far as a real advantage or gimmic if you look at Hornadys Factory ammo ballistic for each of their 30-30 loads there is a distinct advantage at 300 yards.

140 gr Monoflex load with a BC of .277 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1653 and energy at 850

150 gr RN interlock with BC of .186 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1276 and energy at 542

160 gr FTX with BC of .241 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1699 and energy at 1025

170 gr FP Interlock with BC of .189 at 300 yards has a velocity of 1186 and energy at 530

There is also a big advantage at 100 yards in terms of energy, but will an animal know at 100 yards? not likely

T NY

Joined

·
363 Posts

My rifle is most accurate at 100 yards with factory Federal 170 gr. loads. Right around MOA. I get the best combination of useful accuracy and downrange thump, however, with Leverevolution, so that is what I shoot -either factory stuff or reloads that duplicate factory ballistics according to my chronograph. The Leverevolution ammo is sub-1.5 MOA out of my rifle. I use it because it essentially offers teminal ballistics at 300 yards that is equal to or better than other round nosed fodder at 200.Delbert said:What I want to know, if anybody's tried it, is what gave you better accuracy, along with velocity, and using a 150 to 180 grain bullet? Was it hand loading with a slight hotter charge? Using Leverolution Ammo? Or, going with a Ackley Improved cylinder?

Prior to trying the Leverevolution, I had thought about having my chamber reamed for .30-30 Ack. Imp. but I'll likely not be bothering with that now.

T_C

1 - 16 of 16 Posts

Join the discussion

Marlin Firearms Forum

MarlinOwners.com is a community of Marlin Firearm Owners - Dedicated to discussing Marlin Firearms, Marlin Rifles and more. Pictures, help, discussions and more.

Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums

Recommended Communities

Join now to ask and comment!