I was at the range the other day shooting a flintlock, and a guy and his young son were shooting next to me. The dad was getting his son (9 or so) ready for youth season with two different rifles, a Marlin 336c in .30-30 and a generic .243 of some sort. We got to talking, and I asked why two rifles, and was told the ".30-30 is for brush hunting, and it's only good to about 75 yards". When I asked why he thought so, he responded, "Everybody knows that!" So he proceeded to teach me by showing me the target at 50 yards. First, the kid couldn't shoot a 12" group at 50 yards from a rest, and what bullets did hit were indeed "grouped" (about 8", hard to tell with a buckshot pattern) low. Dad thought that was a result of "bullet drop", and when he shot at 100 yards, it showed twice the "drop", proving that a .30-30 is at the very extreme limit, a 75 yards gun. I explained to him to raise the sight elevator, and actually sight the gun in for 100 yards or so, and he would see remarkably less "bullet drop". Clueless, might as well been speaking Zwahili. Couldn't comprehend that the bullet wasn't dropping, it was just going where the sights were aligned. No amount of instruction or offering to help raise the rear sight was going to change his mind that the ".30-30 is at best, a 75 yard brush gun." Gun stores love ignorance like that, it keeps them selling new guns every year that are "flatter shooting". Don't even get me started with the dad and son who bought a brand new bolt rifle in .223, threw a scope on it without sighting in, and then couldn't hit a target at 12 yards (wobbling, offhand, as they left the 25 yard bench to get closer) and swore they were "going to get their money back for a defective gun!" I'm about done hunting with these kind of folks in the woods.