A lot of the modern handgun ammo (especially Winchester/Olin's defensive rounds) are almost exactly the same as the Black Talon loads, but the marketing changed after the outcry about how it created nasty wounds. My favorite tactical 40S&W load is a Winchester "White Box" load, a bonded 180-grain bullet that is nothing more than a Black Talon with a different look, and a different name. The Speer Gold Dot is very similar in design, and is considered the Gold Standard when FBI Criteria are considered.Interesting. However, if/when people start showing up in emergency rooms with these inside, the political heat on the mfr may be too much to last long on the market? If I recall correctly, that is what happened with the "Black Talon" ammunition back-a-ways and the reportedly excessive tissue damage the Doctors complained about and caused a political fall-out of sorts. It was neat stuff, but I guess the manufacturer decided it wasn't worth the bad publicity; although I think they later came out with something similar under new name though... can't remember?