I might have to sell my Guide Gun due to having neck surgery and get a milder kicking caliber like a 243 or 30-30 Marlin.I hope I dont have to but will probably have no choice.Its a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun,Stainless,2x7 Burris scope,mounted with Millet rings,fantastic condition on stock,absolutely no rust at all,about 45 rounds only ever shot out of gun.If I sell it I will probably get a Marlin 336 30-30 in stainless or maybe just blued or a Remington 700 in 243.Also have a couple boxes of ammo.Bought new in 2002 for about 550.00.Best shooting Big Bore I ever owned bar none at 50 yards 10 shots taking out the entire center of bulls eye.Never ever thought I might have to sell it as this was my main deer and bear gun forever but will need the money to get another rifle.Any input on a good asking price would be welcome as I would like to sell local if I can as I have never sold on Gun Broker before.Just know my neck cant take 45-70 recoil anymore and I absolutely love shooting big chunks of lead and thats what I will miss the most but I do love Marlin 30-30 even though Remington now owns them.Thanks Alot. Mike
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Mike, what you need to do is pick up a bottle of Unique, and maybe a bottle of Trail boss and load up some good plinking rounds. That 45/70 is great loaded down, doesn't need to kick much at all, and still blow those wonderfully huge holes in just about anything!vaslugger said:
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I agree if you like it that much you should try some lighter loads (if you reload your own). If you have to sell it try the for sale section here. Plenty of people are looking for nice 1895's and are turning away from the new ones because of all the new problems.
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Especially a stainless one..... very nice carbine ! Let me know if you decide you want to let go of it.
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Mike,vaslugger said:
Literally, I know the pain that you are going through/will go through.
You see, I broke my neck in '01, just days after I bought my 1895 Guide Gun!
After surgery, I also found a gorgeous 1895CB, and just had to buy it!!!!
I've got over 1-1/2 lbs of titanium 'cage' and 'straps' in my neck. I was reluctant to shoot these wonderful rifles for a long time.
Fast forward to 2011.
I had not shot either of my .45-70s, until two weeks ago, then turned around and took the GG on a hog hunt, after joining MO and researching loading data, and building a load.
Sidenote: Thank you, Marlinowners, for your help in developing these loads!!!!!
Listen to what these guys are saying about the Unique and Trail Boss loads.
I loaded some 405 gr hunks of lead in front of 40 grains of Reloader 7, and they don't hardly 'kick', at all!!!!!
(42.5 gr loads are something totally different!) ;D These loads (42.5 gr) are real 'hammers'!
Even my youngest son was shooting the 40 gr loads, plus, a gentleman at our range was shooting a Trapdoor in .45-70 with 15 grains of Unique and put cream of wheat on top of that (to fill the case), with a 405 gr lead boolit, and it sounded like a 'bunny fart' load, but, was hitting our 24" diameter, 4" thick 'gong' at 200 yards, and was giving one heck of a "Thwack!" when it hit!!
Lastly, before selling, put a Limbsaver® recoil pad on that GG!!! That fantastic pad (literally) 'eats' the recoil!!!
My 1895G feels like a 20 ga shotgun with the 40 gr loads, with that Limbsaver® pad on it.
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I second the limbsaver recoil pad and reduced loads and lite (300gr.) bullets.
Thanks so much for all the advice.I dont handload and probably wont even though it sounds fun but dont have the time right now.Looking at factory loadings looks like the 405 Remingtons are the lowest velocity I could find without fouling up the barrel.I looked at everything on the Midway website and read the reviews and the velocities and they seemed the best.Also called the biggest gun dealer in Virginia today and was pricing the Marlin 336C 30-30 in blue finish and the Marlin 336SS 30-30.They are not cheap as they were 479.00 and 600.00.I have time to think on it but I know I just cant shoot the big kickers any more just dont need any more pain in my neck.Thanks to the person about the neck surgery as You know the pain and how bad it can be.I had three discs replaced with 8 screws and a titanum plate and its been 5 months since surgery and still take a lot of pain medicine so I am trusting the good Lord for a complete healing but I just have to be carefull.If anyone has shot the 405 Remingtons factory loaded tell me how they kick.I have always shot the Winchester 300 grain JHP as they are so accurate.By the way I did ask the gun shop if they have heard of many problems with the new Marlins since Remington bought them and they said they have had no problems at all with them.They sell a ton of guns and have always been very truthful with me and tell you if something was wrong but I had to ask him as I have been seeing the problems on this forum reported.Hopefully its just a handful of guns and we only hear about the bad ones.I have always loved Remington Model 700 guns so a 243 might be in the cards but they were 850.00 which is a lot now a days for me.Once again thanks a lot for the information. Mike
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Mike,
The 405gr Remingtons aren't bad at all. When I 1st bought my guide gun I bought a couple boxes of them as I wasn't set up to reload this round at the time.....they were pretty mild IMO. My then 10yr old nephew was with us when we took it out to test fire it that day and he put a whole magazine down the tube......he must have been 80lbs soaking wet......I think I got him hooked!
Try them out and try the Rem 300gr JHP's.....they're like shootin powder puffs! If its still too much, put it up for sale here.......someone will buy it in no time.
The 405gr Remingtons aren't bad at all. When I 1st bought my guide gun I bought a couple boxes of them as I wasn't set up to reload this round at the time.....they were pretty mild IMO. My then 10yr old nephew was with us when we took it out to test fire it that day and he put a whole magazine down the tube......he must have been 80lbs soaking wet......I think I got him hooked!
Try them out and try the Rem 300gr JHP's.....they're like shootin powder puffs! If its still too much, put it up for sale here.......someone will buy it in no time.
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Mike, if you actually do decide to get a .243, take a look at the Savage bolt gun.
They are incredibly accurate, and very reasonably priced. (And a lot less expensive than the Remington!)
I acquired a Savage "Youth" gun for my son to shoot. It is very accurate using Winchester factory loads.
I do think that you'll find that the Guide Gun and a .243 recoil about the same, when using the milder .45-70 factory fodder.
Again, give some consideration to at least putting a Limbsaver pad or Pachmayr "De-Accelerator" (sp??) recoil pad on the lever gun.
If you're serious about selling your Guide Gun, I have a friend in Manassass, that's interested in getting a .45-70, if you're in that area.
They are incredibly accurate, and very reasonably priced. (And a lot less expensive than the Remington!)
I acquired a Savage "Youth" gun for my son to shoot. It is very accurate using Winchester factory loads.
I do think that you'll find that the Guide Gun and a .243 recoil about the same, when using the milder .45-70 factory fodder.
Again, give some consideration to at least putting a Limbsaver pad or Pachmayr "De-Accelerator" (sp??) recoil pad on the lever gun.
If you're serious about selling your Guide Gun, I have a friend in Manassass, that's interested in getting a .45-70, if you're in that area.
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Of all the factory loaded .45-70 rounds I tried initially in my CB, the Black Hills cowboy loading feels like lower recoil than .38 Special in an 1894C. Really mild, even milder than the Rem 405 factory.
I only have experience with a single shot H&R .243 but I would much rather shoot my wife's 1895G with Rems in it than a .243 Win of any configuration.
Handloading with a simple, inexpensive setup might be much better than a gun swap. Heck, I tried reloading to see if I was any good at it with one of the Lee Loaders.
This web page is what convinced me to try out the loader. My first 20 rounds were made with it at the bottom end of the trap door load level with IMR4198. Very mild recoil and cloverleafed at 50 yards.
http://www.jesseshunting.com/articles/guns/category8/117.html
Give it some thought. Sounds like you might have some time to tinker with a very small investment before going through a gun swap. MidwayUSA has the 45-70 Gov't model on sale this week for $22.99. The low star rating given on their catalog page by a couple guys is due to their lack of knowledge of the unit or not studying the instructions better. One guy stated "you really need a crimp on a tube magazine round....". When used properly, the die set offers a very nice crimp method that I found easy to do well. I still have my 45-70 loader and you can't get me to part with it.
God's speed with your recovery.
Jeff
I only have experience with a single shot H&R .243 but I would much rather shoot my wife's 1895G with Rems in it than a .243 Win of any configuration.
Handloading with a simple, inexpensive setup might be much better than a gun swap. Heck, I tried reloading to see if I was any good at it with one of the Lee Loaders.
This web page is what convinced me to try out the loader. My first 20 rounds were made with it at the bottom end of the trap door load level with IMR4198. Very mild recoil and cloverleafed at 50 yards.
http://www.jesseshunting.com/articles/guns/category8/117.html
Give it some thought. Sounds like you might have some time to tinker with a very small investment before going through a gun swap. MidwayUSA has the 45-70 Gov't model on sale this week for $22.99. The low star rating given on their catalog page by a couple guys is due to their lack of knowledge of the unit or not studying the instructions better. One guy stated "you really need a crimp on a tube magazine round....". When used properly, the die set offers a very nice crimp method that I found easy to do well. I still have my 45-70 loader and you can't get me to part with it.
God's speed with your recovery.
Jeff
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I was in the market for a 336 and was looking at all the new ones but after advice I got here on MO I decide to buy used. I checked all the auction sites and found what looks to be a perfect fit for me. A used one is going to be cheaper and from what I have been told much better quality. There are used never fired rifles on there every day so you may want to think about one of those before dropping the cash on a new one.
Thanks again for the information given and I will look at the ammo talked about and check out the butt pads by Limbsaver and Pachmayr.Just so hard to believe the price that guns have gone to today.I remember paying about 169.00 for my first Marlin in 30-30 and about 229.00 for a Remington 700 in 30-06.Thanks guys! Mike
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