[Bearcat 74]

Guys I just got gifted 2 boxes of Hornady 350 FP's and I have some questions. I have read that these will not chamber in the 1895G? Also, I have H4895 and RL7 on hand. I shoot much RL7 and I know that 45 and 47grs shoot very good with the 350 RN, but I have no experience with H4895, anyone have any loads they want to share? I have read on several other boards 58-59grs seems to be a pretty sweet spot of accuracy.


Thanks

 

[moonbat60]

I've used the Hornady 350gr FP in my Guide Gun with no problems at all. Mine are Hornady #4503.


Pete


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[1895Gunner]

I hope they feed well in the 45/70 since that is the same bullet that I will be shooting in my 450. I plan to be able to load it in both calibers.

 

[Bearcat 74]

The places I have read that say it is the throating on the 45/70 vs the .450M. I sure hope they work too, they look like a great bullet. My choice would have been the 300gr Partition but Noz quit making them and the ones you find apperantly have a golden core.

 

[Bob Hatfield]

When I am not shooting cast in my 1895 LTD-V, the Hornady 350 gr. FP is my favorite jacket bullet for the 45/70. Loaded to the crimping groove it feeds like butter and accuracy is excellant. Preformance on 3 bison and 1 hog has been great. Three of which were one shot kills. Very deep penatration with expansion to almost 75 caliber. I use IMR-4198 and load to a velocity of 1850 fps.

 

[reflex264]

I have ran thousands of them through my 45-70s. They wont work in the new Ruger #1s though without seating them deep in the case. That is uneccasary though because the RN 350gr works perfect in the #1. The throat on marlin 45-70s is not saami spec. It is longer than saami but shorter than the .450. I had field testers all over the country testing the loads and the bullet performed great on everything. The only problem was getting pressure measurements done. The pressure barrel is saami. The pressure work was completed using a modified 1895 Marlin. reflex264

 

[Bearcat 74]

Thanks for the info guys. 1850-1950fps is the range I am shooting for. I have some 405 Rems to plink with but I think I am going to work up a load for the 350's for hunting.

 

[csa 357]

thats what im loading for my gg i seat the bullet to the crimp grove and give it a good crimp they work fine

 

[M700]

Bearcat - ol' Reflex here has shot a mess of those bullets, and I believe hunters have used his ammo with that bullet to take a wide variety of game. I loaded it exclusively in my 1895 for a couple of years. Accurate. H4198 can take the 350 to some pretty impressive velocity.

Regards, Guy

 

[moofy07]

I have used a quite a few of the Hornady 350gr fp's and not a tick of trouble. I am of the understanding they were designed especially for thr 450 Marlin and their use in 45-70 was also exceptional.

 

[padodge]

That bullet is all I use in my 45/70. My pet load is 44 grs IMR 4198, CCI 200 primers and either Starline or Remington brass. This load gives me 1800 fps and is totally safe in my rifle.

 

[Bearcat 74]

Thanks for the info. Hopefully Midway will have my order here this weekend, there was a mix up with one of the items and it didn't get shipped until 3 days after I ordered.

 

[Bearcat 74]

I took out some of the 350gr RN Hornadys and added some H4895. Looks like 58.5grs or 59grs is going to be the accuracy winner and either is accurate. At 55yds both had 3 shots all touching, I just have to back out to 100. My Guide Gun is a strange little critter, at 50yds 350+45grsRL7, 350+58.5 and 59grs H4895, 405 Rem+42grs RL7 all go to the same POI.


I shot some of 405's at 100yds, good group but when I recovered them, granted it was from wet soil, there was many pieces of jacket and a flat lead core. I sure thought they were tougher than that. Hopefully the 350 Hornadys will be a little more robust.

 

[Bearcat 74]

Still no bullets, midway jacked up my order.


I loaded up the 350RN and ran them over the chrono today.

1895 Guide Gun 45/70

WW Brass
CCI200
Hornady 350 RN
H4895 - 59.0grs
Lee FCD 3/4 turn

1922fps average SD - 14fps


Sound about right?

 

[BEACON]

They shoot just fine in an 1895. That bullet is one of my 'triad', the 405 Remmie JSP, a 300 gr, and the Hornady 350.

 

[Bearcat 74]

Guys, what length are you loading the 350FP at? I used the book length of 2.545", when loaded and crimped at that length when I put them in the chamber and close the lever they are 2.535", so they are running into the rifling correct?


What do you guys recommend?



Thanks

 

[Bearcat 74]

I went out and ran some across the screens today.

H4895 + 350FP
56grs - 1670fps
57grs - 1775fps
58grs - 1863fps
59grs - 1912fps

The 350RN was getting 1922fps with 59grs. With the velocity being nearly identical I'm thinking I have no pressure problems, correct? If the FP was running much higher pressure would the velocity not be much higher?

 

[Rowdy]

59.0grs H4895 is a max load using the 350 at Hodgdon’s site, right?
They show it as a compressed load running 32,900CUP
How compressed is your load?
Any load shorter than 2.54” will increase pressure some, but how much I don’t know.

 

[Bearcat 74]

Yes it is max on Hodgdon's site at 59.0grs. I did not hear any compression, no crunching when loading the rounds with the 350's. My OAL is 2.533".

 

[Rowdy]

If 59gr shoots good for you, go with it.
Looking at your velocities – see the diminishing returns after 58grs?
1gr was giving ~100fps gain, that last grain ~75fps and the next will give even less.