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FOIA Request Uncovers FBI Effort to Get Americans to Forfeit 2nd Amendment Rights

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A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Gun Owners of America (GOA) secured release of information surrounding a form which was used by the FBI in an effort to secure forfeiture of Second Amendment rights.

Ammoland.com warned of the FBI effort in 2019, after GOA discovered the “NICS Indices Self-Submission Form” in December 2019.

The form gave Americans the opportunity to “voluntarily” give up their Second Amendment rights, allowing no means by which the forfeited rights could be resecured.

GOA filed a FOIA suit for information related to the form and its use by the FBI.

On September 6, 2022, the Daily Caller reported that GOA’s FOIA request revealed that the FBI actually took the form to the homes of some Americans, presenting those Americans with the option of giving up their Second Amendment rights:

The forms were presented by the FBI to people at their homes and in other undisclosed locations, according to bureau documents unearthed through the Freedom of Information Act by the firearm rights group GOA…At least 15 people between 2016 and 2019 signed the secret forms, which ask signatories to declare themselves as either a “danger” to themselves or others or lacking “mental capacity adequately to contract or manage” their lives.
On September 7, 2022, Breitbart News spoke with GOA VP Erich Pratt about the FBI effort and he said:

This self-reporting form became a tool for the FBI to pressure law-abiding Americans, who have committed no crimes, to voluntarily forfeit their Second Amendment rights. The agency would put the squeeze on people to surrender their rights, based simply on hearsay evidence. And then, just like Red Flag laws, a gun owner could lose their gun rights without ever appearing before a judge or jury.
Congress must investigate to ensure that this system and any forms tied to it have been destroyed, and most importantly, the officials responsible must be held to account for their actions which have betrayed the trust of the American people.
Pratt also noted, “This is just the latest example of the FBI going rogue and abusing their authority to the detriment of Americans’ Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Given the Bureau’s unwillingness to answer questions or cooperate with GOA’s investigation, coupled with a total lack of Congressional oversight, this system is likely to have been misused — and the FBI knows it.”

 
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Golllee gee whiz! You mean the government wants to take away American citizen's firearms !?? I just can't believe it! You mean they would actually want us US citizens to not be able to defend ourselves? WHY THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS! Why would they do that?............

Oh yeah, ............ sheep are easier to control than wolves with teeth. The FBI, of all agencies, I just can't believe it! Right,........ You better believe it, Now more than ever!
 
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Ya know, I'm kinda OK with that, 'cause the type of person that would sign that form probably should. If you are a leftist, anti-gun Karen/Ken, go ahead and sign. Make a bold statement and give up your rights. For the children. You can always dial 911. We need a form to forfeit citizenship too, for all those that keep threatening to leave the country for this, that and the other reasons, too. Whoopee Goldberg should be the first to sign that one....
 
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For those that keep trying to push that kind of Commie thinking on everyone else they should "Walk the Walk" and give up all their rights and freedoms that they enjoy on the backs of others. And yes those "Bollywood Divas" should go move to a Commie country and live and practice their Commie agendas.
 
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Looks like second or third hand reporting without a copy of the document that was obtained. Simply put, I doubt that the reporting is accurate.

As a matter of law, I don’t think that a form saying that you give up a right would be enforceble anyway.

Edit: consider that if it was enforceable that every employer would have every employee sign away their rights so that the employer could never be sued by the employee for any violation of their civil rights. I don’t know what they have, because they don’t show us, but it isn’t what they imply it to be. In short, clickbait.
 
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Absolutely !-----If Hitler had to initiate his plan against 16 million armed Jews the outcome would have been very different. And if the 33-50 million subjects killed by Mr Chairman Mao were armed I do not think he would have been able to kill that many. Under no circumstances should you give up your gun. You will never get a 2nd chance to get it back !
 
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I didn't see an actual copy of the form either, but I am thinking it would not be very effective in getting 10's of millions of people to voluntarily disarm themselves, especially in light of the stolen election and exposed criminality of the US government and its agencies (especially the FBI).
I believe the only way to get millions of armed people to forfeit their human rights is to get them to do it voluntarily by using fear and terrorism against them. There just aren't enough federal agents or even military to attack an armed population this large, in a country this large successfully. Look at history. Even the afghans eventually won by simply never surrendering...and they didn't even have F-15's. You could fit Afghanistan inside of Texas!
Well over 85% of the ground soldiers in eastern Ukraine are still citizen militias!. They have not surrendered to these globalists since 2014 when their country was taken much the same way ours was (and by the same people), even in the face of terrible human crimes against them.
The only way to disarm Americans is to frighten them into disarming themselves, by doing terrible things to them, the same as any other country taken by these people.
If enough Americans decide to remain armed and free, they will. The country may split into pieces according to the culture of certain regions, but they can and will it if they want it bad enough, especially when they finally realize they are all going to be killed anyway, whether they surrender to government thugs and "sign" the forms or not.
 
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