engraved 1893 listed in Brophys book !!

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loggah

Discussion Starter · Feb 20, 2011

engraved 1893 listed in Brophys book !!

Well its identical to one listed and i doubt there were two identical made in the same time frame.

Brophys book page 490 in the bargain sheets,right hand column near the bottom under 1911

model 1893 38-55 cal s/n 419119 24" 1/2 ,octagon, half magazine takedown, extra selected pistol grip stock and forearm,"D" checkered, extra finish ,shotgun butt,hard rubber buttplate, engraved 5-3, ivory bead front sight fitted, $48.50 . I am pretty sure this is the same rifle everything is the same and this serial number puts it at 1910-1911. this rifle is 2 serial numbers from the deluxe,engraved 1893 rifle that was presented to Annie Oakley from the Marlin Firearms Co. I saw the Annie Oakley rifle last summer it was displayed at the Cody firearms museum in Cody Wyoming !!! heres the pics enjoy !! Don

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marlinman93

· #2 · Feb 21, 2011

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Well it is possible Don, but just a couple notes here. The gun given to Annie Oakley is indeed that serial number, but it was given to her in 1917. Check page 547 for info on the 1893 presented to Annie Oakley.
Another thing to note. The guns sold on Marlin's bargain page were usually guns that had been ordered, and then the order was cancelled, so they sat at the factory for often years in hopes someone would order a similar gun and they could sell it. If it didn't get sold then it was put on the bargain list sent to Marlin dealers. So your gun being that serial number I would guess could not make the bargain list for a couple years or so.
Marlin often made special order guns in multiples, so it is possible that they made a run of PG deluxe 1893's and pulled the one you have and the one done for Annie Oakley off the same run, then engraved the two; one for her and one for whoever ordered your gun. What's really cool is that your gun and the one for Annie Oakley most certainly could have been engraved by the same engraver at the same time! Most likely either Conrad Ulrich or his son George Ulrich!

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loggah

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 21, 2011

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Vall, I would think the serial number of mine should have been made around 1910, not sure how the Oakley gun would hang around for 7 years because that rifle should have been made around 1910 also, just a mystery i guess, but my rifle fits the book description to a "T" . ;D Don

loggah

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 21, 2011

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Vall, I remembering the Annie Oakley Rifle selling at James Julias auction a few years ago for $251,000 !!!!!! :

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that must be near a record high for a Marlin rifle!!! seems like a crazy price had to be the provenance. Don

Schtoolee

· #5 · Feb 21, 2011

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I have the No.12 October 1913 Bargain sheet. One that it looks like that Brophy did have listed.
It shows the exact same description gun, and it had a price drop, down to $42.00 with a retail price of $51.75.
Could be the same gun, but just hadn't sold yet.

loggah

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 21, 2011

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schtoolee, Thats entirely possible maybe it hung around for years thats a lot of money back then when a normal model 1893 was around $14.00 or so, maybe it sat around for 6 or seven years!! i just wish Marlin had decent records at least thru ww1. Don

Wishbone

· #7 · Feb 21, 2011

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Don,
I cannot tell from the pics, but what front sight does that rifle wear ?

Another beautiful rifle from your collection....

WB

Schtoolee

· #8 · Feb 21, 2011

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On this same No.12 sheet there is one I would love to see. You don't happen to have this one?

Model 1893, 32-40, 26-inch half octagon, half magazine, take-down, extra selected pistol grip stock and forearm, beautifully carved,
large rubber buttplate; engraved No. 40, Tiger Hunt inlaid in gold (write for full particulars of this beautiful and practical hunting rifle)

$240.00 retail $144.00 Special Bargain Price

loggah

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 21, 2011

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Schtoolee, I could only wish !!!! ;D ;D wouldn't it be nice to go back in time with a few bucks?? ;D its a ivory bead, i think its a lyman dont remember for sure. Don

Schtoolee

· #10 · Feb 21, 2011

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loggah said:
Schtoolee, I could only wish !!!! ;D ;D wouldn't it be nice to go back in time with a few bucks?? ;D Don

I have thought about that. And I would be at Marlin's front door. And I would special order at-lest 1 of every model in every caliber. From each year.
In as fancy as you can get, and then I would also need a plain version of each to go hunting with. 8)

lever addict

· #11 · Feb 21, 2011

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Loggah i'm awestruck once again! ;D Sir your collection may be better than the Cody museum! ;D I have never been there, but I have been enjoying the private tour of your collection! I would pay admission to view and maybe touch or hold one of those beauties! The history behind those firearms! I'll bet when your real quiet you can here em tellin stories! ;D

Please keep em comin! 8)

loggah

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 21, 2011

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Lever addict, I 'm pretty sure the Cody museum beats my collection many times over !!! actually when i was there wandering around with glazed eyes i cant even remember what was in the Marlin area, i stood staring at James Arness single action army colt used in Gunsmoke, And Richard Boones colt Revolver used in Paladin, and couldn't even speak !!!!!

Don

Leverdude

· #13 · Feb 22, 2011

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Nice Don!

I'm looking in my copy of Brophy's book & theres no serial# noted for any of them. Is that your guns number or is the number in your copy?

loggah

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 22, 2011

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Ken, Theres no serial number in the book, i'm only going on my rifle being made in the right time frame, and having all the exact features. it might not be the same rifle but it surely fits the bill !!! Don

Leverdude

· #15 · Feb 22, 2011

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Thanks Don, I thought I misunderstood but figured it couldn't hurt to prove it.

marlinman93

· #16 · Feb 22, 2011

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Haven't been to the Cody museum in a number of years Don, but from what I saw back then your collection of Marlins far surpasses what they had. In fact my wife and I mused that most serious Marlin collectors had more stuff in their safes than Cody had!
As for a receiver hanging around for many years; it's not uncommon at Marlin. In earlier guns that do letter, I've got several that letter 5-6 years later than the serial number inidicates. Remember, Marlin records show "ship dates" not dates of manufacture. Fortunately far more guns got shipped soon after being built, so the ship dates help determine year of mfg., but with Marlin's poor records and lack of concern about shipping in a timely manner, it often turns out that really unique guns sat around waiting for a customer to buy them once an order was cancelled.

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