[doc44]

Hi

I am very unhappy, dissapointed and frustrated with my new Marlin 1895. Marlin is usually renoun for rugged dependibility and this appears to not be the case. I guess my expectations were quite high. The following explanation of my apparent problem is a bit verbose, but please bear with me..

I just acquired my new model 1895 and attempted to cycle a full magazine of full size rounds through the system (rounds had no powder) but were correctly loaded to factory specs.

The problem is as follows: The first round, which is partially visible in the gate can always be chambered and extracted properly. However, all subsequent rounds appear to hang up in the magazine until after I jiggle the lever around the closed position in order to get the carrier to rotate ALL the way to its end stop and thus allowing the spring-loaded next round to slip into view in the gate and be chambered and extracted. So what apears to be happening is that the carrier does not rotate all the way to its end-stop with each hard fast cycle and thus prevents the next round from being pulled out of the magazine. This occurs even after a couple full fast cycles of the lever. Whether there is ammo in the magazine or not, every cycle of the lever does not rotate the carrier all the way to its end stop. YOu have to slightly open and close the lever from its full locked position to get thecarrier to rotate all theway where the little notch protrudes through the bottom of the action and is visible underneath.

This is not the case with my 336 in which the carrier rotates all the way to the end stop with each cycle and each round can be cycled through with every cycle of the lever.

Is this a problem with the functioning of the gun or is this normal. I expect to be able to chamber and extract each round untill the magazine is empty with every successive cycle without firing each round and thus believe this is a problem.

Please can anyone advise me regarding this issue

Thanks

doc44

 

[Leverdude]

Yup, somethings not right.

 

[Windage]

No, it isn't you Doc44. There is definitely something wrong with that gun. But on the positive side it doesn't sound like too serious a problem. At least not something that a bit of adjustment by someone who knows what they are doing won't fix. It might even be something the pros on this site can advise you on. Once you get it sorted out I am sure you are going to really enjoy the gun as much as I enjoy mine.

I am very sorry that you first post has to be about a problem.

EDITED to remove what was probably a premature rant against Remington given what Tomray says below. I really hope Doc44s gun is OK.

 

[Tomray]

Doc44,

Welcome to the forum.

I'll take the other side, and can say I've seen this condition many times with 45-70's.

The 45-70 cartridge is large with a pronounced rim, and is a bit more "clunky" in its movement from the tube to the carrier rest position against the front of the loading spring.

The next round will ALWAYS end up in the correct position AFTER the round in the chamber has been fired............And yours is a NEW rifle, and will smooth up with use.

I'd suggest you remove the mag tube, and inspect the mag hole in the receiver for burrs. Remove any burrs found.

Inspect the receiver end of the mag tube and remove any burrs or rough edges.

Stretch the mag spring EVENLY about 3 inches..................

In doing the above, I think you'll see a difference in how the cartridge is handled by the action.......

But, as I stated...........even if the round does not fully park itself on the front of the loading spring with cycling the action, it will be properly positioned after firing the preceeding round in the chamber.

Thake the gun to the range, and you'll see what I mean.

Tom

 

[doc44]

THanks for the replies.

I actually did take the magazine tube off. NO burrs etc. What I looked ofr was anything that prevents the carrier from bottoming out at the end of the cycle. That's what's preventing the next cartridge from slipping to the correct position ready for chambering. A small impulse (from firing) can be enough to jolt everything to allow this to happen, but surely one should be able to empty a full mag without fiiring off the rounds ??

 

[Coalsmoke]

Hi

I am very unhappy, dissapointed and frustrated with my new Marlin 1895. Marlin is usually renoun for rugged dependibility and this appears to not be the case. I guess my expectations were quite high. The following explanation of my apparent problem is a bit verbose, but please bear with me..

I just acquired my new model 1895 and attempted to cycle a full magazine of full size rounds through the system (rounds had no powder) but were correctly loaded to factory specs.

The problem is as follows: The first round, which is partially visible in the gate can always be chambered and extracted properly. However, all subsequent rounds appear to hang up in the magazine until after I jiggle the lever around the closed position in order to get the carrier to rotate ALL the way to its end stop and thus allowing the spring-loaded next round to slip into view in the gate and be chambered and extracted. So what apears to be happening is that the carrier does not rotate all the way to its end-stop with each hard fast cycle and thus prevents the next round from being pulled out of the magazine. This occurs even after a couple full fast cycles of the lever. Whether there is ammo in the magazine or not, every cycle of the lever does not rotate the carrier all the way to its end stop. YOu have to slightly open and close the lever from its full locked position to get thecarrier to rotate all theway where the little notch protrudes through the bottom of the action and is visible underneath.

This is not the case with my 336 in which the carrier rotates all the way to the end stop with each cycle and each round can be cycled through with every cycle of the lever.

Is this a problem with the functioning of the gun or is this normal. I expect to be able to chamber and extract each round untill the magazine is empty with every successive cycle without firing each round and thus believe this is a problem.

Please can anyone advise me regarding this issue

Thanks

doc44

I don't think expecting your new gun to function is an unreasonably high expectation.

 

[Longhair1957]

I agree that expecting a new one to work is noyt unreasonable.... especially at these prices..... I am waiting for my 3rd SBL to come in today... the others were all unacceptable... short chamber by a 1/10 of an inch on one... you actually had to force the case that far into the throat to get the action closed... bad timing ...... barrels not centered to the top by quite a bit.... this one today is last chnce... then I just go buy a Ruger Gunsight Scout..... and wait for the remington made marlins to improve!
Cause dang it... I been at this a long time in my life... and a firearm SHOULD work new.... its not a Kit that I bought.... and shouldnt be a work in progress!

 

[Leverdude]

Does the carrier drop correctly with the gun unloaded?

 

[doc44]

No, the carrier does not bottom out even with the magazine empty. It still shows that it is in front of the follower

 

[lot_45]

With the lever removed....

Take the rifle and hold it with the receiver top to the ground. The carrier should flop to the position where it will be at its highest point. Then bring the the top of the receiver around to the top watching the carrier flop to the bottom.

You can bring the top of the receiver around in one of two directions. Try both ways and look for a hang up of the carrier against the inside wall of the Trigger Gaurd Plate.

Had this exact problem on one of the "new" ones.

Good luck

 

[doc44]

lot,

what did you do to fix the problem?

 

[Leverdude]

Actually without the lever in its common for the lifter to not drop freely. The front of the lifter bears on the follower slightly, not much but enough to sometimes not drop from gravity alone. When you close the lever it should push the lifter far enough down that it'll drop to the bottom. That said it very well may be hanging up on something in there. It might even be bent a little at the tail end where it pivots on the lifter screw. Its thin back there & fits into a slot in the reciever where it pivots. If its bent it'll be rubbing the side of the reciever & that might be keeping it from moving freely.