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I am thinking about purchasing either a 308 express or a 338 caliber. I like the look of the equal length barrel and magazine tube. I want a lever action that I can use for 200 to 300 yard shots that will work hogs as well as deer. I like the look of the midwest industries M-lok rail
But it would look silly on a 24 inch barrel.

I’m contemplating having a barrel cut to 20 inches and I would like to have an equal length magazine tube. Does anybody know if this can be accomplished and if so who can do it? I haven’t use the Marlin custom shop before but I would assume they are very expensive.
 

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Just use a mag tube from any model with such.
336W parts are all over the place and cheap. Should be just the ticket (for an MX, but not the MXLR), but may need minor modifications if you stick with the tip cap style fore-end of the MX.
 

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Welcome from SW Ohio.
 

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Expecting 300 yard performance on big game with any tube magazine rifle is unrealistic. Two hundred yards is a pretty far poke for such rifles.
 

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Expecting 300 yard performance on big game with any tube magazine rifle is unrealistic. Two hundred yards is a pretty far poke for such rifles.
I generally agree, depending on ones dedication. Some BP cartridge shooters make some pretty long shots with them out in the field but they often carry range finders and then adjust the sights. Same for someone wanting to use a specific type of rifle like the Marlins. I would definitely not cut off the barrel. There have been several variation of magazine tubes through the years and Winchester even had the "button" magazines where the end of the tube just stuck out of the forearm. One I would not mind using.

For that type of shooting, however, it is better to use cartridges and rifles made for the job. When I hunt over hay fields I prefer a good bolt in my 6.5 Creedmoor and used to use a 270. Not saying there's anything special about the 6.5 CM, I just like it. One could use the Hornady LE bullets and get something of a gain. The 308 or 338 Marlin Express were designed to give increased range. If I insisted on a lever I would get a Henry Long Ranger or a Browning. Detachable magazines are much handier.

I prefer to use the tool for the job.

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Expecting 300 yard performance on big game with any tube magazine rifle is unrealistic. Two hundred yards is a pretty far poke for such rifles.
We must be in alternate universes.
In the one in which I live, a tubular magazine doesn't cause a temporal vortex and atomic recombination event that neuters all cartridges inserted into it.

Are you in the one where all animals have grown armor plating over the last 100 years, too? Where hunters need a .338 Lapua to kill deer ten feet below their tree stand, and the minimum requirement for shooting over bait is .300 Win Mag? Where the only the bullets that can travel more than 50 yards are all 6.5 mm? And where all lever guns are inaccurate piles of crap, simply because they're lever guns?

I've heard a lot about that one, and read plenty about it on the internet. Must be a helluva place to live...
 

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AMEN Frankenmauser!
This is the age old debate of shooters vs hunters. a lot of target shooters who think a 1 1/2 inch group at 200 yards is a trashed out barrel not worthy for even scrap metal. I get it when millimeters are the difference between 1st place and disqualified in a accuracy contest. for some reasons a lot of "shooters" cannot wrap their mind around the fact a rifle need not be an Olympic target MOA to harvest a deer ethically.
 

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have my 35 rem sighted in at 1 inch high 100 yds good till 300 with a little holdover. I can also routinely hit pie plate groups at 300 yds with my 30-30

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Lets look at the tables a bit. A 30-30 with a 24" barrel wil give about 2200 with a 170 grain bullet or 2300+ with a 150 grain bulet. With a 100 yard sight in it will drop about 28" at 300 yards. With a 200 about 16". The 200 yard sight in is about 3.5-4" high at 100 yards. If you know this sort of thing and know the range, hits at 300 yards can be made. We had one one contributer that was hitting silouettes at 400 yards with his 44-40. That was on a range at a known 400 yards of a bench. I have a range finder and when I sit in a stand I zero in on various landmarks so I can know about how far a deer. Also I have used some of these stands long enough so that they are about like going to a range. Making shot much over 200 yards with a 35 or 30-30 by estimating the range gets pretty tricky. Some have done it, but many don't. There are those that go out and shoot at rocks or other things in the off season that get pretty good at estimating range and maybe will do it. Bench rest shooters that just shoot at a range at known distances probably will not. I have seen too many bench rest shooters that think they can shoot that out in the field would miss a moose at 75 yards.

AS far as the use of other cartridges. My 6.5 CM is about the same thing as a 257 Roberts, another fine caliber. Calibers in that class are pleasant to shoot and perhaps some of the best deer calibers there are as they take a lot out of the guestimation in the field. No one said anything about magnums and there is no one I respect less than those that think they need them. The OP mentioned the 308 and 338 Marlins for his use. They were made for those that wanted to do what the OP wants to do. Hornady came out with the LE bullets which also permit longer range field shooting.

One or two deer harvested at longer range with a classic lever carbine does not make it an ideal choice for that use. Those flat nosed bullets kill at that range but are starting to look more anemic. A 170 grain bullet is going about 1400 fps at that range. Still works but then expansion starts dropping off. 150 grain bullets start to lose to the 170 after 100 yards. The round nosed 35 Remington is hardly making 1200 fps. These numbers are based on 24" barrel, the carbines lose a little more and often the ammo does not give what the tables say. Generally a carbine will give about 2100 fps with a 170 grain bullet. Chronograph one and see. Rifles using pointed bullets and a little more velocity started to take over pretty quick over the lever action calibers because of that. Look at history and general use. The Winchesters were pretty popular in my area during the depression but the ranges up North are generally more limited to their function. In my neck of the woods a 30-30 is not all bad as it will give me about 200 yards, which is about as far as I shoot. I like my bolts better because I shoot them better. I do not shoot off a bench rest to get tiny groups like many do, which is why I do not post groups. I hold my rifle with a hand rest to make sure it shoots to POI. Some that shoot off benches will have a rifle that shoots high. The hay fields can present longer shots and I shoot the bolts better at those ranges. Don't practice enough with the levers to be as comfortable doing so. Never shot any crows at 200 yards with a lever but I have with varmint rifles.

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Lol not 338 Lapua.....338 Express, we have a ton of large hogs on our property and I kinda like to walk around and find them. I have a 6.5 creedmore and it works fine but I want something to use as more of a brush gun with a little more knockdown than a 30/30. Brush is too thick to let these things run 75 yards.

Is like something I can use on mule deer/pronghorn as well as pigs. I like a lever action because I can get quicker follow up shots when I’m out there looking for my hog.

Not a fan of the BLR, just a hideous gun in my opinion so I want to go with a traditional lever action, they are just too cool. I live my ARs but I don’t like using them to hunt with so I’m trying to get a good round that gives me some medium distance and some thump
 

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What bullet will you be using?

Sincere question.
 

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Lol not 338 Lapua.....338 Express, we have a ton of large hogs on our property and I kinda like to walk around and find them. I have a 6.5 creedmore and it works fine but I want something to use as more of a brush gun with a little more knockdown than a 30/30. Brush is too thick to let these things run 75 yards.

Is like something I can use on mule deer/pronghorn as well as pigs. I like a lever action because I can get quicker follow up shots when I’m out there looking for my hog.

Not a fan of the BLR, just a hideous gun in my opinion so I want to go with a traditional lever action, they are just too cool. I live my ARs but I don’t like using them to hunt with so I’m trying to get a good round that gives me some medium distance and some thump[/QUOTE

Personal preferences are what make the rifle makers happy and those of us on these sites something to discuss. Your desire to have the greater range set off an interesting discussion. The problem with the 308 Marlin and the 338 is that they are rapidly becoming orphans. Excellent cartridges, designed to do what you ask an I have seen them on shelves so were I to find one and use it I would handload and stock up on brass. I have not seen any up for sale locally. They are not made anymore that I know of.

IMG_0082.jpg 100_0108.JPG I have used and enjoy using the classic lever actions. I will still use them. I enjoy shooting a variety of rifles like many do. What some do is buy a beater Marlin and send it off to JES for re-boring. He does convert to the 356 Winchester which does offer more thump and more range than the traditional rounds. Winchester and Marlin both tried to modify the tube feed levers to meet the desires of someone like yourself. Both series of cartridges, the 307 an 356 Winchester and the 308 and 338 Marlin, seem to have passed on. Another option is to maybe get a good 30-30 and have someone rechamber it to the 30-30 Ackley Improved. If distance were not so much an issue then the 444 Marlin would be a thumper but it is not a really longer range rifle. Most that use these rifles out west also take the challenge of getting a little closer, which is par tof the fun of using these rifles.

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