Cleaning the barrel and some genious (me) got my 36 in battery with the bolt out

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RIF

Discussion Starter · Feb 20, 2011

Lovely situation I get myself into sometimes

. I had just got all the fouling out of the barrel, and noticed some extra grime on the inside of the trigger guard plate and the locking bolt recess and of course my big fingers pulled the trigger and something went "click" and the carrier is now stuck in the load position. This was after I dropped the gun and of course it fell on the peep and it fell apart. That is a funny story unto itself. Apparently the little screw that holds the plate and keeps everything from falling apart on the peep was weak and it failed. I did not see any damage to anything else luckily. This was about the time that my fire alarm went off in the house. What the??? I opened the door from the garage into the house and of course the house was filled with smoke...because I left the woodstove door wide open and it was drafting inside. So needed to air out the house on a freezing cold night with fans and doors and windows wide open. Have spent the last thirty minutes trying to find the post I read about some poor sap who had got his rifle in battery while cleaning it. To no avail. Tomorrows a new day. Sometimes you just have to laugh.

Can anyone help me out here? I know, I know 1 bullet and a pistol

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Gunjunkie

· #2 · Feb 20, 2011

Leverdude posted a fix to it but I am not sure of the exact post .

RIF

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 20, 2011

This is a 36 BTW.

Gunjunkie

· #4 · Feb 20, 2011

They are the same .. I just can't remember and wouldn't want to give you wrong info.. I know it's simple.. fix

Leverdude

· #5 · Feb 20, 2011

I'm not sure what you mean by the carrier is stuck in the load position or how it could be in battery without a bolt?
If the bolt is out & the lever is out the lifter should flop up & down pretty freely. If its stuck up just stick your finger in & push it down or just push the bolt in & it'll push it down.
If you just dropped the hammer without the bolt in the gun you should be able to just cock it & slip the bolt into the gun. If you dropped the hammer with the bolt in the gun but the action open the hammer will hang up in the locking bolt recess of the bolt but that should be obvious.

At any rate the hammer in no way interacts with the Carrier. Could you post a pic or a more clear description of whats going on?

RIF

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 21, 2011

My picture was too large. Like I said the carrier is stuck up, like when you rack the action and the lever is at its maximum throw, and the carrier thinks it is handing the 30-30 shell to be pushed into the chamber. The bolt is not in the gun, and the carrier is stuck up, like a beautiful blonde, so stuck up that she'd need diamonds and a new Mercedes to even give me a date. I tried to use my fingers on her and she clamped down tighter. I am of the gorilla persuasion, when I torque something up, I usually go about three turns past when the bolt head snaps off and call it good. Sure am glad I am on a site where all the Marlin gurus hang :

Leverdude

· #7 · Feb 21, 2011

Is the lever in the gun? If its not you could try installing it & seeing if it'll push the lifter down. Or try pushing the bolt in as it too should push the lifter down. I cant imagine whats holding it up.
If nothing else works just drop the trigger plate & try pulling it down, if that dont work remove the lifter screw & try again. At that point theres nothing at all holding it in.

JBledsoe

· #8 · Feb 21, 2011

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How can it be in battery? Is the lever in the gun ? If it is take it out and push the carrier down as per Leverdude's instructions. Sounds like Murphy's Law is alive and well. ;D ;D

JBledsoe

· #9 · Feb 21, 2011

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I have tried repeatedly to duplicate you described condition. The only way I can do it is remove the trigger plate with lever still in place and the re-install it. That way the lever goes under the carrier and locks the action tight. But why would one remove the trigger plate to clean the bore?

Leverdude

· #10 · Feb 22, 2011

Well JB, You could get the lever under the lifter with the trigger plate installed I think, but you'ld need to take the lever out, turn the gun upside down, make certain the lifter is fully up & then snake the lever in under it. I'm not going to go & try it but in my mind it works. ;D

Leverdude

· #11 · Feb 22, 2011

I wonder if the loading gate is loose & somehow the lifter is stuck above it instead of under it like usually happens...

JBledsoe

· #12 · Feb 22, 2011

Leverdude said:
I wonder if the loading gate is loose & somehow the lifter is stuck above it instead of under it like usually happens...

That may be possible. A loose loading gate? Nope, I tried that just now, the gate is blocked by the lifter and cannot get under. I held the lifter with a screw driver, that didn't lock up the action, it just won't completely close.

The lever will NOT go in under the lifter in my gun, the trigger plate must be partially removed. I cannot imagine what he has done to his rifle.

??? ???

LDThornton

· #13 · Feb 24, 2011

I didn't read the entire thread so...... The trigger plate front screw and support screw need to be in the correct holes. The longer front screw needs to go in the front of the trigger plate and the shorter screw needs to go in the side. If they are reversed the lever can not be installed and it may also be catching on the lifter? Check it out.

JBledsoe

· #14 · Feb 24, 2011

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Good advice, LD. I didn't think of getting the screws in the wrong places.

Leverdude

· #15 · Feb 24, 2011

JBledsoe said:
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Good advice, LD. I didn't think of getting the screws in the wrong places.

Did you try it?

RIF

Discussion Starter · #16 · Feb 28, 2011

Leverdude said:
Is the lever in the gun? If its not you could try installing it & seeing if it'll push the lifter down. Or try pushing the bolt in as it too should push the lifter down. I cant imagine whats holding it up.
If nothing else works just drop the trigger plate & try pulling it down, if that dont work remove the lifter screw & try again. At that point theres nothing at all holding it in.

I am sorry about my response to your post, I was having a bad day and had my panties in a knot.

What happened was pretty simple, the steel follower in the magazine tube was protruding enough to not let the carrier drop and therefore locking up the action tight. When I took the floor plate off it was pretty clear my issue was a non issue and just manually depressed the follower allowing the carrier to drop. I have not had this issue with 336 actions, once the bolt is out of the 36 it seems to allow the carrier to have more travel towards the top of the action and therefore rise slightly above the follower and causing what happened to me. This is the first time I have ever cleaned this particular gun. When I saw what my problem was I just shrugged my shoulders and shook my head.

Anyway apologies for getting snippy and am back to being calm, cool, and collected RIF 8)

Your patience with the rookie was appreciated.

Leverdude

· #17 · Feb 28, 2011

No biggie, I didn't take your reply as snippy.

What you say makes sense, though its never happened to me. The 336's lifters come up around the cartrige more that the 36's & 93's did. Those projections cradle the case to keep it centered but they also stop the carrier from going so high the follower gets in the way. I never thought about that before though, now I'v learned something too.

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