[Monkymate]

I bought a basket case Camp 9 with serial #004234. Can anyone tell me the year of this? Is this an early model? There is not an external bolt hold open on it on the LH side of the receiver. Only the bolt handle and pulling back and pushing in on the RH side.

Here are my issues after looking at everything on here and lots of other places. The diagrams on the internet do not seem to be consistent.

It appeared to be missing the bolt stop and bolt stop spring, trigger return spring and pin (he had put a spring between the trigger guard and trigger). Also it looked like it was missing the trigger block and spring. My trigger assembly did not have cuts for the manual hold open on the LH side. The feed ramp was missing its spring too. And the buffer was shot.

I ordered the parts from Numrich (except buffer and spring) along with the diagram. The bolt stop does not fit up in the upper receiver. (Too wide?!?) There is a hole for the spring but the stop doesn't fit in the slot it should fit in. Any ideas?

The diagram does not show the trigger block but I have found one that does. It doesn't appear to be needed on mine and doesn't fit. (Early model? changes?)

The Blackjack buffer and Wolffe 16.5# spring worked great.

The last thing is the trigger return spring and pin. There is no hole for the pin. Does it just float down there below the strut bridge?

I put it together without the parts that did not fit. Put the spring back behind the trigger and it works. I know this is not right though.

Thanks,
Monkymate

 

[Mush]

Welcome, There is much good info here on the Camp Carbine. With your many questions maybe I can start with the rebuild thread:

http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,85626.0.html

As I recall there are many threads on the "other Marlins" forum that will answer your questions. Here are some other sites that may help.

http://www.notpurfect.com/main/campgun9.htm

http://gunshowonthenet.com/Gun_Manuals/Gun_Manuals3/Marlin_Camp_9.pdf

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/marlincamp9war.htm

Sometimes it helps when you are talking about parts to use the number/specific name from the manual. Pictures are a big help also.

Sometimes a call to Marlin with your specific s/n will answer if that rifle was built with out the pins/springs of a later model.

 

[Mush]

The Bolt stop spring is a high damaged item. The previous owner may have removed it because they did not know how to re-assemble the rifle correctly. To my knowledge (don't bet the farm on my knowledge) , all Camp carbines had one. It should fit unless your rifle never came with one. I just looked, - the Bolt Stop for the Camp 45 has a different stock number from the Camp 9. Maybe you got the Bolt Stop for the Camp 45? The Camp 9 Bolt Stop Stock number is 516383, for the Camp 45 it is 516483.

If you wish to replace the Trigger Guard with a newer one, MidwayUSA had them for under $20.

There was a poster that had the same problem (no trigger return spring). As I recall he called Marlin and the early models did not have one. If you search the forum you will find what he found out about it. As I recall he drilled a hole in the trigger Guard (part 61) and installed one.

The Trigger block is number 68 on the Parts list and on the exploded trigger group on the next page of the manual. You may be thinking about the "Magazine Disconnector Trigger Block" part # 33 or the Magazine disconnector (Part 32). The rifle will function with both missing but a spacer (washer) may have been placed where part 33 was.

 

[Monkymate]

Thanks for the reply's. I have been to all of those sites and read the forum to the end on the camp 9. I went through the whole disassemble/assembly directions for the trigger group on here. That is where I noticed the parts missing and differences on mine.

The diagram from Numrich that I purchased does not have part numbers for the parts I am missing and they are not shown in the exploded diagram. Other diagrams I have seen have them shown but the part numbers are mixed up so. Here is Numrich's data on them.

- 516181 723730 Manual Hold Open Lever, NI ...........................6.30
- 516381 405790 Manual Hold Open Lever, 9mm, Nickel, NI .....................................................................7.65
- 316259 405570 Trigger Block, Blue, NI .....................................5.05
- 216459 405780 Trigger Block, 9mm, Nickel, NI ........................7.55
- 416794 405580E Trigger Block Spring, NI ..................................3.35
- 416994 405550B Trigger Return Spring, NI ................................3.65
- 416497 405560B Trigger Return Spring Pin, NI ..........................3.35

These are all listed after the last numbered part (#65)

I do not have the slot on the LH trigger for the Manual Hold Open Lever to fit in. Here is Numrich's list of available plates. I have the old style with no cut.

54 216263 405430 Sideplate, Left, 9mm, Blue ..............................7.90
54 316663 723690 Sideplate, Left, 9mm, Blue (New Style w/Hold Open Cut) ................................................8.40

You may be right on the Bolt stop (Part #4 on all of the diagrams I have seen) they may have sent me the 45 model stop vs the 9mm. It may be wider. The part looks right and if thinner would fit. I will call them and see about that.

I have all the parts for the magazine disconnector and they function. I plan on removing the parts #32 and #34 and putting in a washer of the right size for part #33 to replace it.

I believe I have one of the early models and it did not have those parts. I will order the trigger return spring and pin and drill the housing aand install it.

Still looking for a year for this thing. Any ideas?

 

[Mush]

For the year you could scroll down about 8 inches on the main Marlinowners page and read:

"Marlin Years of Manufacture".......

 

[Monkymate]

Looked there first. Since the camp 9 was made from 1985 - 1999 the year codes using the first two numbers would be a range from 15 (1985) to 01 (1999). A 00 like mine would indicate a 2000 year which given the missing late year parts (extended bolt hold open and associated side plate for the trigger group) makes it unlikely that it was made in 2000.

I do not think the year rules apply to the camp 9 and 45's.

If you see something there that I don't then point it out to me.

Thanks

 

[Mush]

The Marlin parts Department has been very helpful to me when I refurbished several Camp 9's and 45's including the year of manufacture. In some cases I found their parts less expensive. It is possible that your rifle is a mix of parts from several rifles. Maybe some one used bore cleaner on the trigger group and melted it so they bought a old plastic trigger group to install. Or some one had two Camp 9's of different years and swapped parts. Hard to tell. Marlin parts would be a good call to make. Midway USA had Camp 9 trigger groups for $13 as I recall or see what Marlin parts has if you want to match the S/N with the correct parts.

 

[Mush]

I found this on another site:

Question: I have a Camp 9 with a S/N beginning with 00XXXX, when was it built?

(answer)

I believe that should be a 2000 model...

Date code for 2000 was "0"
1999=1
1998=2

Short run in 2000, doesn't surprise me that it had only 6 digits.

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Maybe if it was the end of a run Marlin used what ever parts they had in the factory including "old" parts. Hard to tell....