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Had the fright of my life today (OK one of several 'fright of my life' moments in my life).

Shooting my Marlin .410 lever action, Model 410, which is good order, and had stuff all use.
Fired a few no 4 shot, kids fired a few No. 4 shot, we all shot a few solids. I loaded a standard 2 1/2 inch Federal solid, and fired. Recoil no different, noise no different, EXCEPT I got smacked in the face with bits of steel ... I'm left handed, so prefer level guns. The top of the bolt had blown off, above the extractor. There was a small blowout in the brass of the shell. the steel got me below the nose and lip.

This is my favourite little rifle, I shot a pig with it last week. It would be flat out having 100 rounds through it in its life (at the price of .410 you understand this!), carried more than shot because it is handy!

I have no idea what happened, or how it could happen. The lever .410 is based on the 336, I believe. The rifle barrel looks like it was turned out of an axle, the walls are that thick, this was one of the rifles I was intending to hand down to my kids (when I drop off my perch). Given the action, and the over strength of the rifle for the round, I expected it to last several lifetimes (as older ones like the 38-40 have).

What is the warranty on these? Has anyone heard of a similar failure? :hmmmm2: Because I own a number of marlins, including some passed down through generations. I'm in Australia, where its tough enough trying to own rifles!!
 

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Remington bought JM Marlin out several years ago, as far as I understand Remington does not warranty the old JM Marlin guns, and Marlin went out of business/sold off the name etc to Remington... so Marlin no longer warranties the guns they manufactured. Do you what year your gun was produced ? I'm not up to date on the 410 models, and if Remington makes them or not
 

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I have had extractors, and ejectors blow out of autos before, hopefully that's all it is along with the brass casing/primer. I had an auto fire out of battery, and have had one surgery to remove cancer/brass from my face, and probably due for another now. Even wearing safety glasses the hot gases singed my eye, and deposited pieces of brass in my face, and in my eye brows etc... I still feel lucky to have my eye, you would not believe the explosive force in a 17hmr

That is a LOT of force blowing open a locked 336 type bolt from 410 pressure. Would like to see some pics as well
 

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Photo's of rifle bolt, round, just after it happened. As you can see the top of the bolt blew off, the round has a small rupture which would probably align with the missing steel. I have three thoughts. One was that the actual failure occurred on the previous shot, by my older son, who is right handed, and I fired without being aware of the failure. The other is that the round did not go into battery correctly, causing the failure. Three, there was a fault which finally showed.

The force of the 'explosion' and impact did not penetrate my skin, as the original failure went up first, I believe, causing minor damage, before coming back. There does not appear to be much brass missing. I shoot left handed.

Evidence against an ammunition failure was no big explosion, no barrel obstruction, no major deformation of brass base. Suspect catastrophic failure bolt 9actually know there was a catastrophic failure bolt!).

Trying to add photographs!

The top of the bolt s gone.jpg Top of bolt missing.jpg Little case deformation.jpg The round used info.jpg small marks top of receiver.jpg

I can still feel the 'sting' on my face, now.
 

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Some photos of the 38-40 would be good too! We like porn :beer:
Seeing as you asked nicely, went and took some quick photo's of the .38-40 (even though they're actually .40 not .38). My grandfather traded my Great Uncle a saddle for the rifle, some time around WWI or the Depression; Great Uncle went to Boar War, and had one then (acquired it, when the NSW medical contingent were gifted these, before leaving for war; apparently it was BYO rifle for some), by numbers not same rifle, later manufacture? Liked them, bought himself one. Have got the original reloading tongs (with bullet mold on end) for reloading, and a powder scoop.

.38-40 baby saddle ring carbine.jpg 38-40 Baby Carbine.jpg 38-40 definition of hopeful ... 900 yards!.jpg 38-40 received area.jpg 38-40.jpg

The bullets go that slow that, with the light behind you you can see them in flight. Rifle was carried more than shot. They used to leave two rounds in magazine and slip it under surcingle, with thong tied through loop, when droving cattle for sale. The 900 yards on the sight means lobbing the round like artillery!
 

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Better photo showing split in case ... assume this would align with missing piece of bolt. A factory 2 1/2 inch .410 solid should not have sufficient power to destroy a Marlin 336 bolt!!

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Even if not in battery correctly, would assume that there would be an escape of gas, a cartridge failure and major deformation, not a bit of a bulge and split (and that rifle would fail to fire, of course, because bolt not fully engaged.... ? ) not a catastrophic failure of bolt.
 

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bolt.jpg

I don't think the top of your bolt sheared off.
Looks like a normal Marlin 336 bolt.
They all have that shape on top near the bolt face.
I think you got a blast of gasses from the powder
charge, maybe some of the brass and unburned
powder through the extractor slot and it went
in your face and scared the heck out of you.
It would me too.
Maybe you could pull the bolt out of the gun
and take some better pics...?

bolt 2.jpg

Looking at this pic, the bolt face appears intact.
If the top was indeed sheared off, the rounded
crown above the bolt face would all or in part be missing.
 

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Especially a Marlin 410 because they are overbuilt for a reason as is every 410. Many folk have stuffed pistol and rifle cartridges in them.

Get a good attorney now.

Preserve all the evidence. The firearm, the shell. The ammo box, and all the remaining shells.

You should never be hurt from a factory rifle firing factory ammo.

Guy
 

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In post #12 you refer to the top of the bolt missing, in the 2nd from the left, not sure if I see what you do, however this is what a normal bolt looks like. Note the top is made that way and not blown out.
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Marlin-45-70-Kaboom.jpg

This is what a catastrophic failure of a Marlin 45-70 looks like.
If you look closely, you will notice that the bolt and action remained
pretty much intact...in fact, part of the case is still there, in place
against the bolt face.
 
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