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Has anyone had good luck with Berry's 30 caliber plated bullets? What velocity? I shot some 100 gr .32 cal last fall in my .32-20 Marlin and they worked fairly decent...better than lead bullets in my situation. that was in the 1200+ fps range. I may try some for chickens and pigs in the Winchester .30-30

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I shoot them in my 30-30. I keep the velocity within their specs. Unique powder. Can't remember for sure, thinking 11 grains. They are more accurate than I. Don't know if I'd depend on it for hogs.

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I use Berry's plated bullets in handgun calibers (9mm, 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt) and have had good luck with them. For some reason, I have never thought to try them for rifle cartridge reloading (other than pistol caliber rifles).
 

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My 1894's, both of them, hated the .430" 240 grain Berry's plated. Scattered them like buckshot. They're probably too small for the Marlin .431"-.432" groove diameter. I loaded them over 8.8 grains of Unique thinking they'd be ok. Nope. At the 135 yard gong, they were 4 feet off in random directions. Oh,well. You've got to try everything once.
 
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i have used the 150gr 30-30 plated bullets in a marlin 336 cb in 30-30. one load i like is 17.5 of 5744 and another is 23gr of varget. both loads are within berry fps for thier 30-30 plated bullet. both loads work well on chickens and pigs. hits them like a hammer. i have not used them much on the turkeys to tell if they will work. both loads shoot soft and group well out to 150 meters. my load data is down stairs and i think the 5744 is runing somewhere around 1,700 fps or under. i have also used the 125gr and 158gr 357 mag plated bullet in pc matches in a marlin 1894 cb. i would still be using them except the zero bullet is cheaper and is a fmj bullet, not plated.
 

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Has anyone had good luck with Berry's 30 caliber plated bullets? What velocity? I shot some 100 gr .32 cal last fall in my .32-20 Marlin and they worked fairly decent...better than lead bullets in my situation. that was in the 1200+ fps range. I may try some for chickens and pigs in the Winchester .30-30

Off-season reloading project, if I get the time and weather to work on it.
PAndy,

I started with the 250 qty lots from Midway then moved to 1,000 qty purchases. You can say, I like them.

The 30 cal 150 gr bullet is listed for velocities up to 1,900 fps. I have shot up to 1,800 fps in a 30 WCF using H-4198 with no issues. Also, for plinking, the 30 carbine bullets seems to work well out to 100 yards at the same velocity range and powder. My rifles all have Ballard rifling.

Additionally, all of the pistol bullets have a FPS recommendation that is lower. I assume they are recommendations for pistol use. I have both the 125 and 158 gr 357 hollow point target bullets moving at 1,700 fps using 2400 with not accuracy or copper deposit issues in a rifle.

The trick is treating them like cast bullets as you load. Use a neck expander die with slight bell then only taper crimp in place.
 

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Thanks for the input. I am glad to hear there is potential...honestly they don't have to shoot great for chix and pigs. I'll start with lower end 4895, 4198, varget loads with the plated bullets. will try some n110 also. H4895 or Varget for ram and turkey loads with Speer 170 gr. Time will tell. The plated (Rainier) pistol bullets in my .32-20 have shot some very good groups but so far less consistent for me than Hornady xtp. My Marlin '94 is fussy. hopefully the Win 94 26" will be more forgiving with various loads. If my sons have time we will also be loading for a 24" Marlin XLR.
 

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I shot some loads with the 150 Berry's today, since the sun came out. Bench testing ammo through peep sights is a bit of a struggle. But the win94 shot them pretty well, with most groups well under 2 inches at 80+ yards. That can work fine for practice and shorter ranges in CLA silhouette. a tried a couple loads with Speer 130s instead of the plated 150s, without any difference in accuracy. Mild loads of N110 are fun and shot well, too. I need to chronograph some. I also had good luck with a reduced load of H4895 as per Hodgdon's instructions. I'll use these bullets some more, but I'll be keeping them in the 1400-1800 fps range. Early efforts with my son's Marlin 336 xlr were not as good but I didn't try many loads that day.
 

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today i tested the 150 gr plated with buffalo rifle powder. buffalo rifle powder is from shooters world powders made by lovex. lovex made 5744 powder for years and per their information buffalo rifle and 5744 are the same. i used 5744 with the 150 plated but 5744 price has gone to $227.00 and up for eight pounds. buffalo rilfe is $149.00 for eight pounds at my local store. before today i did several days runing this bullet across my chrongraph with buffalo rifle powder in a 1950 marlin 336 with the 24 inch barrel. i chrongraph 17.0, 17.5, 18.0, 18.5, 19.0, 19.5, 20.0, 20.5, 21.0, 21.5, 22.0, 22.5, and 23.0. so today i picked out the best from the chronograph tests (17.0, 17.5, 18.5, and 21.5) to shoot on paper and real targets. the 18.5 was the winner across chickens, pigs, and turkeys. i shot off the bench for paper testing checking grouping, no scope just my match rifle. chicken and pigs the holes were 1/2 to one inch. at turkeys about one inch to 1 1/2 plus apart. then i stood up to shoot steel. i set the animals heavy to check knock down power. the animals were set feet forward on the front edge on concrete blocks. i had one ringer on the turkey with a center hit. the turkey turned. if it was on a rail it would have gone off the 12 inch wide block kept it on. all other turkey hits went down backwards. as always chicken and pigs went down. so 18.5 grs of buffalo rifle with the 150 plated runs in my rifle at 1,555 pfs with no kick.
 

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Frankmako, good range report. How fast were the top end loads? My loads of n110 and h4895 were also in the 1500-1600 range. Will try that buffalo powder next time I need to buy . Might be worth a experimenting in .32-20 also, though I don't know anyone using 5744 in that cartridge.
 

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I thought I had a lee collet crimp did so I could get a crimp on these bullets but it did not so I have one on order.

I use 5744 in my Savage muzzleloader so I know that 5744 is getting spendy. I did not know gay Buffalo Rifle was a 5744 equivalent but I did know that it looked useful to me when you look at the data and burn chart so I have a few unopened pounds from when midsouth was running the free hazmat promotion. Based on the post above I think I know where I am going to start loading Berry’s bullets for plinking. Probably going to use these first in the 94 Winchester as it will be a very pleasant load in the light rifle.
 

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the reason i jumped on buffalo rifle was the price of 5744 jumped well over $200.00 dollars plus. i talked with ken johnson of shooters world and found that buffalo rifle was the old 5744 powder and a one of one powder weight drop would work. so here are my numbers across my 1982 year model chronograph between 5744 and buffalo rifle.

test rifle 1950 marlin 336 waffle top 24 inch barrel. standard large rifle primers, winchester cases. 150 gr plated bullet.

aa 5744 - 17.5 grs - 1,566 fps
buffalo rifle - 17.5 grs- 1,462 fps

aa 5744 - 18.0 grs - 1,621 fps
buffalo rifle - 18.0 - 1,469 fps

aa 5744 - 20.0 - 1,841 fps
buffalo rifle - 20.0 - 1,651 fps

the aa 5744 was dropped by a rcbs uniflow powder dropper and was one year old. buffalo rifle powder was dropped by a rcbs chargemaster last week.

the berry and x-treme plated bullet has a limate of 1,950 fps. so i stopped with buffalo rifle at 23.0 grs that gave me 1,890 fps.

my group test the 18.5 was tops hands down. the 1,555 fps speed just works best in the old waffle top. that why the aa 5744 speed i used was 1,566 fps.

so if you use 5744 and are looking for a lower price powder then buffalo rilfe is for you.
 

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How is the bulkiness of Buffalo compared to 5744? did it fill the case about the same?
 

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Jeeze! Wish I had seen this post last month. Bought some of these bullets 2 - 3 weeks ago for my M1894 .44 Mag. :frown:



My 1894's, both of them, hated the .430" 240 grain Berry's plated. Scattered them like buckshot. They're probably too small for the Marlin .431"-.432" groove diameter. I loaded them over 8.8 grains of Unique thinking they'd be ok. Nope. At the 135 yard gong, they were 4 feet off in random directions. Oh,well. You've got to try everything once.
 

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For the Marlin 44 mag and the 240 gr plated bullet the only load that I have found that will group good out to 150 meters is 9 grs of unique with a lite taper crimp. Not a hard load but groups good out to 100 meters and opens up at 150. Several years ago I tried the 44 mag with several different bullets and powders for pistol cartridge and rifle cartridge silhouette. I got it to work for pistol cartridge but couldn't get the 200 meter ram to work in rifle cartridge (cla ). As far as I can tell the Marlin 1894 in 44 mag has two problems. First is the twist rate is wrong. Second you need to slug the barrel to see the size. The barrel sizes are big so you need a bullet that fills the barrel.
 

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I tried them a couple of years ago in my Marlin. Load was 13.0 / 2400. Velocity, around 1600fps. After adjusting elevation I shot this 5 shot group @ 50 yards. It was repeatable, not a fluke. Same load in my Win 94 was not as accurate as cup and core bullets.
 

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I have the same problem with my Henry 44, with a twist of 1/38. Henry says it is optimized for the 44 Mag. It will NOT shoot 240gr cast bullets. Every ballistic program I tested in said you need at least a 1/30 so I had to go to a 200gr round nose then it works fine. Marlin and Henry are 1/38, I think Winchester is 1/30 and Rossi is 1/24. Why did they go with 1/38? Every pistol is about 1/20 or 1/24.
 

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Has anyone had good luck with Berry's 30 caliber plated bullets? What velocity? I shot some 100 gr .32 cal last fall in my .32-20 Marlin and they worked fairly decent...better than lead bullets in my situation. that was in the 1200+ fps range. I may try some for chickens and pigs in the Winchester .30-30

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I use them in large bore handgun and if you stay within their velocity constraints they work well. The main purpose of plated was to keep your barrel from lead fouling. The plated copper jacket is still very soft as I have seen these bullets just splat into dust on steel plate targets where as a traditional jacketed bullet will leave a big crater in the plate steel and in some cases I have punctured through 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch mild steel targets with Mag pistol loads.
If hunting game keep this in mind and make shot placement a priority to make up for the softer bullet.
 
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