[Halwg]

Has anyone used this bullet with H4198? I was thinking around 40 gr should work, but I can't seem to find any data. I don't have that many bullets and I want to use the powder I have, so it has to be H4198.

I appreciate the feedback.

 

[Dr. A]

I figured this must be for the 444. I shot this too, but think I ended up with using another powder. Sorry!

My dose was with H322 and a few more gr. or Rel. 7 and 40gr.

 

[Halwg]

Yes, it's the 444. I can't seem to find any data for the heavy bullets.

 

[Dr. A]

330g LFNGCDCG H335 54.0 444 S 2176 11.04 6.40 72 F 0.784"
330g LFNGCDCG H335 54.0 444 P 2080 15.91 8.06 72 F 1.886"
330g LFNGCDCG H335 56.0 444 S 2244 3.16 2.29 67 F 0.344"
330g LFNGCDCG H335 56.0 444 P 2080 32.50 16.79 67 F 1.566"
330g LFNGCDCG H322 48.0 444 S 2171 11.63 9.76 67 F 0.339"
330g LFNGCDCG H322 48.0 444 P 2024 31.46 15.22 67 F 1.448"
330g LFNGCDCG H322 50.0 444 S 2204 50.74 25.96 67 F 1.111"
330g LFNGCDCG H322 50.0 444 P 2113 9.67 6.40 67 F 1.969"
330g LFNGCDCG VARGET 50.0 444 S 1952 57.86 32.04 64 F 3.472"
330g LFNGCDCG VARGET 50.0 444 P 1806 21.67 11.91 64 F 0.318"
330g LFNGCDCG VARGET 52.0 444S 2027 7.98 7.64 79 F 1.039"
330g LFNGCDCG VARGET 52.0 444P 1919 17.84 8.71 79 F 0.924"
330g LFNGCDCG VARGET 54.0 444S 2100 11.75 8.90 79 F 0.863"
330g LFNGCDCG VARGET 54.0 444P 1977 8.28 9.89 79 F 1.209"
330g LFNGCDCG RL-7 45.0 444 S 2157 42.15 21.00 68 F 1.832"
330g LFNGCDCG RL-7 45.0 444 P 2050 31.52 15.55 68 F 0.555"
330g LFNGCDCG RL-7 47.0 444 S 2190 N/A N/A 68 F 1.786"
330g LFNGCDCG RL-7 47.0 444 P 2007 28.86 14.37 68 F 1.630"
355gWLNGC H322 43.0 444S 1974 10.07 5.29 81 F 0.978

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/28

Plenty here on beartooth

 

[horseshoe]

I have 5 pounds of H335 that I thought I never would find a use for but seeing that it a good performer with the 330 Beartooth I may have to try them out.

Regards
Horseshoe

 

[Frodo]

I shoot a 320gr cast and use H-4198. I calculated 42.0gr max and settled on 41.0gr with no pressure signs. I would probably back off a grain for the extra 10grns of bullet. BTW, I also used a chrony when developing my load and promised myself that I would stop if I got to 2200fps before reaching 42.0gr. I think I maxed out at 2130fps and my load gives me 2050fps.

 

[Halwg]

Sounds like 40 gr should be a decent starting point. I use 42 gr with a 300 gr bullet.

 

[1895Gunner]

Halwg, which 44 cal dia. bullet are you using from Beartooth for the 330gr? Just curious. I haven't ordered any cast for my 444P yet but am thinking about it.

 

[Tony65x55]

Hey Hal, QuickLoad shows a max of 41 gr for 2004 fps. Given a 10% reduction for a starting load, 37 gr would be an appropriate starting place. I hope this helps.

 

[Halwg]

Halwg, which 44 cal dia. bullet are you using from Beartooth for the 330gr? Just curious. I haven't ordered any cast for my 444P yet but am thinking about it.

.432

 

[1895Gunner]

Thanks......

 

[Lakota]

DOH'

Dammit I have been so busy building traditional bows for the last several months.

And hav'nt been keeping up on my reloading needs, stopped in on one of my pawn-haunts two weeks ago and saw the H335 sitting there and my mind was like " man why do I have this feeling like that H335 should have me excited " Dangit after seeing the BTB 330gr reloading data ..... I'M QUICKLY REMINDED hehehehehe .

Looks like I will be making that 60 mile round trip this weekend ;D YEAH THANKS GUYS ! you coulda reminded me before gas got back up to $3 a gallon

As for my load for the 330gr Bear Tooth. I use R-7, 45gr in Rem. Brass , with a CCI BR2 LR primer .

MOA and less have been seen from this loading @ 100 yrds, From a '73 444S micro groove

 

[Starrbow]

DOH'

Dammit I have been so busy building traditional bows for the last several months.

And hav'nt been keeping up on my reloading needs, stopped in on one of my pawn-haunts two weeks ago and saw the H335 sitting there and my mind was like " man why do I have this feeling like that H335 should have me excited " Dangit after seeing the BTB 330gr reloading data ..... I'M QUICKLY REMINDED hehehehehe .

Looks like I will be making that 60 mile round trip this weekend ;D YEAH THANKS GUYS ! you coulda reminded me before gas got back up to $3 a gallon

As for my load for the 330gr Bear Tooth. I use R-7, 45gr in Rem. Brass , with a CCI BR2 LR primer .

MOA and less have been seen from this loading @ 100 yrds, From a '73 444S micro groove

I'm glad I broke that habit, when I was building bows I was building lots, to many different woods to try and use for the risers and limb laminations, plus glass thickness,.....truely addictive.

 

[slackjaw]

Recommendations for IMR 4198?

Anyone have a starting load for the same bullet using IMR 4198? I've used H322 with some success but I'd like to try another powder I have.

 

[Lakota]

Sorry Slack no experience with that IMR powder in the 444 .

I'm glad I broke that habit, when I was building bows I was building lots, to many different woods to try and use for the risers and limb laminations, plus glass thickness,.....truely addictive.

Yeah It can be rather addictive , But I'm convinced that I can make and take game with a bow built with these here hands

 

[Enoch]

I've been sighting in my Marlin 444S that I bought recently with this 330 gr.load from Beartooth as well as others. Marshall Stanton who is the owner of Beartooth ( I believe ) has developed heavy cast bullet loads for the triple 4 and is a wonderful source of information on this , his "pet load", as well as countless others. Beartooths tech notes part 3 shows this load as: 330 gr.LFNGCDCG w/ 56.0 H335, 2244mv & groups of 0.344" ! My range time yesterday had cloverleafs at 50 yds.with a Williams peep sight. This same bullet in the trapper model 444P using RL-7 is 45.0 grs., 2050mv groups of 0.555". I encourage you to check out Beartooths tech notes on the triple four as well as getting Marshall's book entitled "Beartooth Bullets Technical Guide", a comprehensive guide for attaining unsurpassed performance using cast bullets. Marshall goes in depth on Microgroove barrels, barrel lapping, proper bullet fit, bullet selection, constructing heat treated cast bullets with annealed heads etc. I think I paid around $15 for it. I put it as one of the best buys I've ever done in almost 60 years of breathing.

 

[Starrbow]

Yep, Marshall has been a outstanding person to talk to when I was shooting lots of his bullets and needed a helping hand in getting all the velocity and accuracy I could from the 1-38 twist MG. That was a very long time ago! Very seldom do you encounter a great man, selling a great product the he manufactures, and is willing to do the phone thing with his customers, Hopefully one day I will get to meet Mr Stanton!

 

[Warhawk]

I have 5 pounds of H335 that I thought I never would find a use for but seeing that it a good performer with the 330 Beartooth I may have to try them out.

Regards
Horseshoe

I use H335 for heavy 45-70 loads and .223

 

[beretzs]

Great intel. I would love to try these heavies in my 444.

 

[DDS444]

Great intel. I would love to try these heavies in my 444.

Me too!