i figured i would put this out there as a public service message. at the end of january i saw a seller from crystal river florida called american trading post selling older federal 200 grain 35 rem for $20/box shipped. i bought 10 and when i got them i found several boxes were green and leaking phosphorence like they had been under water or something. the rest of the ammo was really tarnished and looked bad. long story short, i just got my refund from these clowns after many unanswered emails and several calls directly to their business. a month and a half in all. he indicated that he "cleaned up" some of the rounds and they looked good and seemed perfectly ok with that.