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I have not used them at all in any centerfire rifles. I do however use them.. 300gr 45 cal in my knight muzzleoader with 90 grs of pirodex powder. I know this may not be what you are looking for as a answer but I can tell you.. I will not use anything else in my muzzleloader. Killed many hogs.. no tracking. On deer.. DRT or just a short distance away. Shoulder shots.. bone.. muscle.. didn't matter. As far as expansion goes. The exit holes are not massivly huge but I could tell the bullet did expand. I personaly love um.. If I was loading them like you want you might want to push them at max velocity like rob42049 said. CWT
 
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