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Sounds like cancel culture to me. I had 3 POC's that I was trying to get terminated due to poor work quality and ethic team up on me and write letters to the HR saying I said racist remarks etc... which I said none of. I was terminated and the Texas Workforce Commission sent me copies of their statements. I spoke with my attorney but he said due to the size of the company, it just wasn't worth the effort.

I work for no one anymore as of that date, which I was going to quit anyways, but still. If I ever work for someone else again, there will be no courtesy, no more work done than the bare minimum of what is asked, and if I leave, it will be without notice. There is no loyalty from companies anymore, and they shouldn't expect any loyalty given. Hire some H1B's instead.
 

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After I had applied to one of the largest insurance companies in Texas, I was awarded an interview. I was interviewed by a manager in the life insurance department, which I had just passed my life insurance state test. After my interview, unbeknownst to me, a different manager in claims finished my paperwork, and put down I was a new hire for claims. I showed my first day for training, expecting to be in life insurance, and found out the hard way I was training to be a claims rep. I immediately started speaking up that I was hired by the life insurance department. The trainer, with a snyde response, stated I was hired for claims, and would be training to be a claims rep. I asked her to please check with life insurance, and asked to go to the life insurance training. The trainer did no such thing, of course. I wasn't allowed to even go and talk to my original hiring manager. For 3 weeks, daily I had asked to be moved to life insurance, nicely. The last day I did, I was met by my trainer, and a claims manager, and was told under no certain terms that I would never be in life insurance, very sternly. I was told to either lump it, or leave. Well...I needed a job, because the great recession had been going strong. Well, 6 months later, a wave of layoffs (legalese for firing) came, and I was number 1 in my department. The claims manager escorted me out, with 3 uniformed security officers, and I was told when I got to the door that I wasn't rehireable because I made a fuss about being hired for the wrong department in the beginning. I was coined non-conformal.
Well, how do you like that stuff?!?


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Seen this done many times in the corporate world. It's all about some click that you did not fit in with or some new Sheriff just got hired and he wants to get rid of all the old timers to make room for his own friends and family. Even seen where they will drum up fake ways to make you look like a slouch at your job to get you canned. Especially bad if you are a conservative hard worker in an office full of "Looney Liberals" who like to sandbag and take credit for other peoples work. You can always tell who is a "Corporate Puke": They are the ones always getting very "Excited" when the lame duck boss comes up with a new dumb idea and shout praise about how great of an idea the boss came up with.
 

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Cowboy - you are a nail head hitter -
It comes from the school of hard knocks my friend ! Seen all the very dirty tricks played on fine people in the corporate world----kind of reminds me of the dirty tricks Dems are doing but the only difference is that a bigger segment of society is affected by the tricks being played in Gubberment. Not too much different as in the corporate world you will find that the #1 corrupt "Gatekeeper" is HR (They are in Cahoots with the dirty Mgmt)---In Gubberment it is Dirty Dems in Congress, corrupt gatekeepers in the DOJ and IRS, AG, etc. The same tricks but on a larger scale.
 

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I worked very hard and honestly while I was in the American work force. A mechanic and welder, I held several long-term jobs, one part time job lasted 25 years, my last one 16 years, then I retired. I gave two weeks notice on the occasions I was leaving. I have the scars, a really bad back, and sketchy eyesight from my professions, but I'm good. And proud.

Meanwhile, conjecture is great, but we still haven't heard from the OP, and why he was walked out of his office under guard. It may have been a justified dismissal. Or not. I'm withholding judgement until I hear the story. Your opinion may vary.
 

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Why not just offer condolences to the guy for his difficult time, congratulate him on fulfilling the "keep calm and carry on" admonition, and not rub his face in the manure? If he was wrong, he knows it. If he was innocent and it was undeserved, he knows it. Now, he is merely sharing his pain over a bad experience. An encouraging word costs us nothing, but it might make his day.
I agree with you. I have been told “A kind word turns away wrath.”.


BTW people

You know a lady that worked for the same company from high school until retirement. When she retired she held a college degree she got while working for said company. On her last day which was a few days earlier than her planned departure “retirement”.

Not only was there not any sorry to see ya go or enjoy your retirement years or any kind words.

What she got was to police officers a box and 10 minutes to clear her desk out. What she didn’t have time or room for was put in the dumpster after she was escorted out of the building to her car and told if she returned to the property she would be arrested for trespassing.

She had a wonderful helpful personality and good working relationship with the company with perfect attendance and many awards given to her over the years.

She was treated like a violent parson with a bad wrap for bad behavior on her departure that had everyone in her department absolutely floored.

Why??? There was a new sheriff in town and she wanted everyone to know that if they didn’t sing her tune that’s how they would be treated and dealt with and she was using this lady as an example.

Corporate politics sucks and everyone is a target.


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I would have sued that company and fast for stealing/denying access to my personal property. That is unlawful. However, I am guilty, myself, of keeping too much personal property at work, in and around my desk. A good reminder to keep at home anything you don’t want taken from you.
 

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I agree with you. I have been told “A kind word turns away wrath.”.


BTW people

You know a lady that worked for the same company from high school until retirement. When she retired she held a college degree she got while working for said company. On her last day which was a few days earlier than her planned departure “retirement”.

Not only was there not any sorry to see ya go or enjoy your retirement years or any kind words.

What she got was to police officers a box and 10 minutes to clear her desk out. What she didn’t have time or room for was put in the dumpster after she was escorted out of the building to her car and told if she returned to the property she would be arrested for trespassing.

She had a wonderful helpful personality and good working relationship with the company with perfect attendance and many awards given to her over the years.

She was treated like a violent parson with a bad wrap for bad behavior on her departure that had everyone in her department absolutely floored.

Why??? There was a new sheriff in town and she wanted everyone to know that if they didn’t sing her tune that’s how they would be treated and dealt with and she was using this lady as an example.

Corporate politics sucks and everyone is a target.


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That's pretty vague, "You know a lady". How do I know this story is true? Who is she?
 

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That's pretty vague, "You know a lady". How do I know this story is true? Who is she?
She is my mothers best friend and they worked together. As long as my mother works there I will not/ can not ......


And for respect of this lady I won’t without her permission.


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These days, they teach new management that they are not doing their job unless they find fault with a certain number of employees. So, you may get targeted. There may be personal reasons from someone above them. It stinks.
Dunno' how it is now but my undergraduate degree is BA Management and NEVER was it ever discussed that a manager is not doing his/her job unless they find fault with a certain number of employees. First I ever heard of anything like that. And before everybody goes off half cocked, it was a simple question about the surrounding circumstances regarding the termination and escort out of the firm. Didn't seem like there was any accusatory tone about it. If the question cannot, or won't, be answered (for whatever reason) that's no big deal. It was just a simple question. In today's environment it seems as though folks are just looking for a reason to be offended. Don't be. Its just a question.
 
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I am glad you bounced back well. In my 40 years of working (still).....I've seen multiple purges....the walk with the box to the door routine....2 mergers and one (current) sell off of my division to another company. Humans are never kind to each other in business......we can but pray to God to care for our daily needs till our last breath is taken.
 

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She is my mothers best friend and they worked together. As long as my mother works there I will not/ can not ......


And for respect of this lady I won’t without her permission.


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So "You know a lady" is incorrect, I do NOT know this lady. Neither does any other member of Marlin Owners, except you, know this lady. Why did you present it this way? As I stated, your post is vague, and your answer is evasive. Her situation may or may not be analogous to the OP, and the reason for his dismissal. Her situation may not be related at all.
 

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So "You know a lady" is incorrect, I do NOT know this lady. Neither does any other member of Marlin Owners, except you, know this lady. Why did you present it this way? As I stated, your post is vague, and your answer is evasive. Her situation may or may not be analogous to the OP, and the reason for his dismissal. Her situation may not be related at all.
I personal know her and listened to both of them talk about it.

What you don’t get is I can’t say who or where because if this even got back to them it could jeopardize my mothers job. She is also about to retire.

As for “I know a lady” I will not publish her name without her permission. She has since moved and I do not know nor does my mother know where she now resides. Since she is about 10 years older than my mother she may very well have passed on.

This lady was my mothers next door neighbor.

My response was more to point out that this is the nature of the work place these days.
He may very well not have done a single thing to get let go and even though you think it’s ambiguous at best it’s still relative.

I was also let go from one job, met at the gate with my last paycheck and told not to return with no reason as to my dismissal. Not once was I ever in trouble or in bad graces with those I was in regular contact. This came from HR at corporate and I was 1 of 12 they let go and 1 of 2 that was laid off the other 10 were fired.

Laid off/fired = Symantec’s

Have also had a recruiter for this same company that thought I would be a great fit. I told him they won’t hire me and it’s a waste of our time but he insisted. I gave hime the information he need and he said he would be in touch in a few days and gave me his business card. A week later I had not heard back and called him. He would not answer my calls and never called me back.


Take this with a grain of salt and move on.

I left names of people and places out of the conversation because that information isn’t relative.

I perceive what you are doing is attacking my integrity or validity of my story. At the very least challenging if this even ever occurred.


Moral to the story is you don’t necessarily have to be in the wrong or at fault to be let go or treated like a violent criminal by your employer when they let you go.


This lady one one of the sweetest people my mother ever knew.
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While this may make great apocryphal "Toxic Management" headlines,
it is NOT the new normal.
Never has been.
Isn't now.
Nonsense. You old enough to remember "efficiency experts"?
Business considers anything that doesn't contribute to the actual sales to be red ink.
Basically they use "efficiency experts" as a substitute for balls when they need to fire people.
So like when I was a developer for a large insurance company even though I wrote code that made them money, I was red ink. Black ink is the sales people that sell product.
Periodically when the shareholders don't think their retirement portfolio is growing fast enough they demand margins increase. The way to do this is - cut red ink.
In my case they got a couple of cheap Paki programmers to take my job on recommendation of an efficiency expert who concluded 2 half-assed Pakis were cheaper than one good American coder. Apparently they operate under the simplistic math that 2 x half-as-good = 1 good.
Anyway - I was met at the door, escorted out and my stuff mailed to me as well.
Their theory was if I was pissed off I could cause damage before I left.
So stow it. It happens and it doesn't have to be any reason to cast aspersions on a fellow sharing his story.
 

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I personal know her and listened to both of them talk about it.

What you don’t get is I can’t say who or where because if this even got back to them it could jeopardize my mothers job. She is also about to retire.

As for “I know a lady” I will not publish her name without her permission. She has since moved and I do not know nor does my mother know where she now resides. Since she is about 10 years older than my mother she may very well have passed on.

This lady was my mothers next door neighbor.

My response was more to point out that this is the nature of the work place these days.
He may very well not have done a single thing to get let go and even though you think it’s ambiguous at best it’s still relative.

I was also let go from one job, met at the gate with my last paycheck and told not to return with no reason as to my dismissal. Not once was I ever in trouble or in bad graces with those I was in regular contact. This came from HR at corporate and I was 1 of 12 they let go and 1 of 2 that was laid off the other 10 were fired.

Laid off/fired = Symantec’s

Have also had a recruiter for this same company that thought I would be a great fit. I told him they won’t hire me and it’s a waste of our time but he insisted. I gave hime the information he need and he said he would be in touch in a few days and gave me his business card. A week later I had not heard back and called him. He would not answer my calls and never called me back.


Take this with a grain of salt and move on.

I left names of people and places out of the conversation because that information isn’t relative.

I perceive what you are doing is attacking my integrity or validity of my story. At the very least challenging if this even ever occurred.


Moral to the story is you don’t necessarily have to be in the wrong or at fault to be let go or treated like a violent criminal by your employer when they let you go.


This lady one one of the sweetest people my mother ever knew.
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Repeat; I DO NOT KNOW THIS LADY, nor do any of our MO members. I did not ask for her name, or for you to out her. I never even intimated that. Next time, avoid confusion and wrong meaning. If you had said "I know a lady", not 'you know a lady', you and I wouldn't be having this exchange. Your opening statement confused me, I thought perhaps it was someone, maybe a member here we know. I do not know this lady, I don't need her name, I'm not asking you to tell me anything, never suggested it. And her story may not be relevant to the OP's situation. No one else here knows that lady.
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Nonsense. You old enough to remember "efficiency experts"?
Business considers anything that doesn't contribute to the actual sales to be red ink.
Basically they use "efficiency experts" as a substitute for balls when they need to fire people.
So like when I was a developer for a large insurance company even though I wrote code that made them money, I was red ink. Black ink is the sales people that sell product.
Periodically when the shareholders don't think their retirement portfolio is growing fast enough they demand margins increase. The way to do this is - cut red ink.
In my case they got a couple of cheap Paki programmers to take my job on recommendation of an efficiency expert who concluded 2 half-assed Pakis were cheaper than one good American coder. Apparently they operate under the simplistic math that 2 x half-as-good = 1 good.
Anyway - I was met at the door, escorted out and my stuff mailed to me as well.
Their theory was if I was pissed off I could cause damage before I left.
So stow it. It happens and it doesn't have to be any reason to cast aspersions on a fellow sharing his story.
You obviously have experienced the same things I saw in the corporate world (More than 1 corporate world). BTW--The Dilbert portrayal of "Catbert" the evil HR representative is not to far from what goes on. I saw people who were singled out for forced "Early Retirement" start to get all of the work that the golden children did not want to do or saw as "Beneath them" to do. When the people that were being picked on went to HR for help----they were given lip service on needing intermediate communication counseling with their manager. In reality the HR was reporting back to the manager what kind of complaints were being filed against them so that the Mgmt could have a cordinated program of retaliation against the particular person. They would come to co-workers and try to get negative feedback ammo by asking loaded questions about the individual. I did not fall for it and would say: "I work with that person many times and found them to be a real Straight Shooter and Hard Worker". That of course got me on the "Early Retirement List" too---but I knew the game and was prepared so I was able to leave on my own terms. It is just like the corrupt Looney Dems !
 
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Sounds like cancel culture to me. I had 3 POC's that I was trying to get terminated due to poor work quality and ethic team up on me and write letters to the HR saying I said racist remarks etc... which I said none of. I was terminated and the Texas Workforce Commission sent me copies of their statements. I spoke with my attorney but he said due to the size of the company, it just wasn't worth the effort.

I work for no one anymore as of that date, which I was going to quit anyways, but still. If I ever work for someone else again, there will be no courtesy, no more work done than the bare minimum of what is asked, and if I leave, it will be without notice. There is no loyalty from companies anymore, and they shouldn't expect any loyalty given. Hire some H1B's instead.
There is no loyalty of the large corporate company towards the employee anymore. That is why I went back to working for a medium size locally owned company where the owner actually treats you like family and appreciates what you do. Notice how the big Corps. demand your full subserviance and always tries to make you work long hours for free (salary worker) while feeding you their normal rhetoric of how lucky you are just to have a job. Big Corp. even makes you sign a doc that states that they can fire you at will and without any warning----sure makes you have that warm and fuzzy feeling reading that one way loyalty doc. In some instances I saw contract workers treated better than employees with 10 or more yrs with the Corp. company. Something is wrong with that picture. Comes from the new Mgmt. philosophy that emplyees are thought of as being a comodity and should be treated the same way subject to the rules of supply and demand.
 
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