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The recent Texas school shooting was accomplished with a pump shotgun and a revolver. The well-paid anti gun entity leaders have been strangely quite. I would suggest that maybe the reason is that an active shooter using guns not normally classified as "assault weapons" impugns their case against the guns they have been targeting. A few of them have become more honest in their real goals of banning and confiscating all firearms, which I see as progress. I call it progress because it is harder to productively discuss anything whey the other side is lying about their goals and expectations.


Most gun owners know many other gun owners who do not own, and don't want to own, many of the guns broadly classified as "assault weapons". The reasons for not owning them vary with the individual, but the fact they don't own them often makes them feel safe from the anti gun movement. I know at least 20 gun owners for every gun owner that belongs to even one pro gun organization, and I would bet that is actually a very low estimate. Many of these people own only one gun and that is often a gun passed down from family. They may, or may not, shoot them for fun or practice. That does not mean that they do not value those guns and that they wouldn't be upset or even angry if they thought they would lose the right to own the gun they do own.


If a serious movement to ban all firearms started to emerge, I would suspect that a couple of things might happen:


Even some non-gun owners would object to the idea of a total gun ban especially if it involved criminalizing gun owners and forced confiscation;
Many now passive gun owners would suddenly wake up to the danger and actively join and support pro gun organizations;
The courts might suddenly realize the potential constitutional crisis and despite their liberal bents would feel compelled to rule against anti-gun legislation.
Do you agree with this? If you do, shouldn't we push the narrative in order to force the anti-gun forces to admit their real goals? If you think that is a good idea, how would you suggest we and the organizations we support go about doing that?


If you do not agree, why? What dangers do you see that I and perhaps others aren't seeing in this idea?
 

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Do you agree with this? If you do, shouldn't we push the narrative in order to force the anti-gun forces to admit their real goals? If you think that is a good idea, how would you suggest we and the organizations we support go about doing that?

If you do not agree, why? What dangers do you see that I and perhaps others aren't seeing in this idea?
I'm unclear about exactly what you think we should do.

Speculating about how a court, let alone courts, would respond to something isn't valuable.
 

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All it shows is that you cannot put the blame on the object as this takes away the blame from the perpetrator of the crime. Banning the object does nothing to prevent the crime from occurring again. As far as the courts and the liberal judges this is a result of not being "Vigilant" and making sure that far left Libertard politicians do not overtake your Guberment. You must actively vote to make sure we get people with common sense into Guberment and not a radical leftist socialist who feel that their moral compass is better than yours.

We already know that anyone who can appoint a judge is a key person (President) and we do not want to put a liberal leftist who has a one-sided political agenda into such a position. Look at how much DAMAGE Obummer created in his 8 years in office.
 

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We should always be on the offensive, as defense can only hold ground at best, lose ground at worst. We just have to figure out a way to do it tactfully, as demonstrating loud and proud while open-carrying seems to work against us. The narrative needs to be that more lives are saved by guns each year than taken by them, which is verifiable with the CDC statistics, and that gun owners are not all old, fat white guys who can't dance... we have all ages, races, genders, political parties, economic backgrounds, etc. that constitute the entirety of gun owners, people just like those in the anti-gun crowd so that they can't make us out to be any different than they are as a target for their bigoted attacks.

The best way to convert people that are on the fence about guns is to take them out to the range and show them how fun it is and how the basic safety rules minimize accidents. That's my two cents...might have borrowed one or two cents from Tom Gresham, though.
 

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The recent Texas school shooting was accomplished with a pump shotgun and a revolver. The well-paid anti gun entity leaders have been strangely quite. I would suggest that maybe the reason is that an active shooter using guns not normally classified as "assault weapons" impugns their case against the guns they have been targeting. A few of them have become more honest in their real goals of banning and confiscating all firearms, which I see as progress. I call it progress because it is harder to productively discuss anything whey the other side is lying about their goals and expectations.
I think they're being quite about it, because they have to find a new mantra. "Assault shotguns" and "assault revolvers" doesn't have the same connotation as those scary looking guns with the belt-fed, high-capacity, magazine clips
 

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True "anti" gunners are a lost hope, so I wont even waste my breath on them! Those on the fence, if you can get them alone (or in very small groups), can usually be swayed to our side IF they'll listen to "common sense"! I DO have several friends that are gun owners and NOT members of the NRA (or any other pro gun group for that matter), not because they're against them, just that they don't see the importance of it! I've slowly been working on them and have gotten a few to join up.... the others WILL fall and join too...they just don't know it...YET!
 

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There are some good essays on this very subject in the June issue of American Rifleman. They point out that the anti-gunners have pretty much abandoned their pretenses and are now showing their true colors, even calling for repeal of the Second Amendment. They are no doubt emboldened by what they perceive as overwhelming public support in the wake of the Florida shooting. We have seen how this has resulted in a large increase of contributions to the NRA, so maybe the anti-gunners have misread their strength. Apparently, at least some gun-owners are waking up. I hope many more will come to understand the threat that we now face. Not only gun-owners, but any patriots who are concerned about the erosion of our constitutional rights.
 

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This points out the dangers of compromising on more restrictive gun laws that will accomplish nothing to prevent crimes. First it was fully auto weapons, next semi autos and handguns. When the killings continue they eventually will want sticks, stones and sharp objects.
 

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This points out the dangers of compromising on more restrictive gun laws that will accomplish nothing to prevent crimes. First it was fully auto weapons, next semi autos and handguns. When the killings continue they eventually will want sticks, stones and sharp objects.
As we are seeing now in London with their knife bans. It never has been as much about guns as it has been about control.
 

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Their goal is clearly to eliminate all guns from the hands of the people. After that people will continue to kill with whatever means they find be it sticks, stones, edged weapons, cars etc. The problem is not the instrument but the fact that we live in a Godless society.
Evil will always find a way. Hardening targets can be helpful, but it only pushes the carnage outside during arrival and dismissal periods if no one is there to stop or minimize the event. It is foolish to look to the Federal government to protect our schools. It has to come from the local citizenry. I would be more than willing to see my school taxes increased to whatever it has to be to have armed guards inside and outside of the schools in our district as long as the money never shifts to other things. A bit off topic, I know.
 

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What do the Dems do now that someone has used a gun that uncle Joe Biden said was OK?
Have you noticed that very little has been reported on this event, as opposed to Parkland? The use of a shotgun does not lend itself to their gun-ban agenda.
 

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Youper, sometimes, I feel the same way. I do believe, however, that a lot, if not most, anti gun loud mouths, really don't know why the elite, anti gunners, do what they do. They are simply "metoos". Try to engage one in a conservation about guns. All they can say is, "we don't kneed guns". They know nothing, just following the crowd. These people are really more dangerous, because, you will never be able to have a dialog with them. If the anti's really wanted to save lives, how about texting while driving, drunk driving, drugs, and a multitude of other causes. You don't hear them talking about these deaths.
 

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And don't forget, most of these anti-gun liberals are all in when it comes to murdering innocent babies.
 
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Another reason that the liberal idiots are not making such big a deal out of this school shooting as they did in Parkland is because it happened in Texas.Libs will not get the results in Texas as they did in liberal Parkland FL.Texas won’t play that.You are not going to get Texan lawmakers to even consider a vot to ban any firearm in a Texas.
 

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I get what you are saying. The only anti-gunner I had any lengthy conversations with was one of my close hunting partners who was a life long hunter, school teacher, married to a school teacher, daughter is a school teacher, union member, liberal (he preferred the term "progressive") democrat. He couldn't get his head straight on any 2A issues. Protection from the government, ARs, handguns, personal defense, you name it he took the gun control values to heart.
 

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I look for shotgun and revolver sales to increase drastically very soon ...............
 
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Unfortunately, a number of the posts here have been edited and it's not clear why, or what's been changed. I wish I knew what the posters wanted to convey instead of what someone else thinks they should say, and in such event, we could have a much better conversation.

That said, the attack on certain guns is dumb. I've long said beware the man with a shotgun.
 
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