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I recently picked up a fabulous 336SC manufactured in 1950 ... a really really nice waffle top with real life ballard rifling. Just what I need to a potentially great cast boolit shooter.

Problem is ... I have really really bad near vision. I need to drill and tap it for glass. But I am torn. I have a classic in tremendous condition that I am having a hard time taking a tap and die to.

Someone talk me into it ...

Jerry
 

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I won't talk you into it... sorry.

Just me but I would not alter such a fine specimen.

Good luck with whatever decision you end up making.
 

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Have you tryed a peep sight to see if that would work? I have passed on a 1950 A in 35 Rem just for that reason, couldn't bear to alter it. It's yours, do what you want, but there are others out there that are already D&T'ed. DP
 

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Years ago "STITH" made a no-drill scope mount for the untapped Marlin 36/336.It utilized the reciever sight holes and the dovetail slot for the rear sight.It could only be used with 1"straight tubed or scopes with no objective bell.
I'v seen them on Ebay a couple times,they are costly
 

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Someone talk me into it ...
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Not sure I can help you there either Jerry, think I'd suggest picking up a clunker and tapping that one instead. I'm far from a purist but wouldn't dream of tapping that gun myself so have trouble encouraging someone else to do it.

That said, it is not my gun and if it pleases you.....................................

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I wouldnt dream of D&T to a classic.There is quite a number of them on the market that are already set up for a scope,so I would keep shopping.I saw a 1950 336A the other day that was D&T and it looked nice.I have a 1949 336A in 30-30 that was scoped previously.I wont do that to my SC's.
 

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Don't do it... There are plenty out there others have already drilled for scope...
 

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I know you are not looking for a trade and you prefer an SC with Ballard rifling, but I have an excellent(+) 1957 35 Rem RC with Microgroove that I recently picked up simply because it was in such great shape. It is factory D/T.

At the time, I was looking for an SC in 35 Rem, D/T or not, Ballard or MG, don't care - still am. If there is an opportunity for a creative transaction (trade with boot(?) for another 35 SC you have, or anyone else has) let me know.

Just trying to be helpful, not lookin' to make a wonderful deal for either of us, just trying to cure our Marlinitis.
 

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It appears to be a little known (and for some reason occasionally controvesial) secret that Marlin made the 336 with ballard rifling and d/t for scope in 1954 and half of 1955 (ballard). The Marlin catalogues never detailed that the d/t feature was being added until it was universal in 1956, however, print adds did. Just try to find a 336 that was not d/t'd in 1955 (M serial number). These rifles are not that hard to find if you know what you are looking for. If you want that particular combination I would find one of these rather than d/t yours. Over time the history books will acknowledge that these transitional rifles exist and I believe they will be prized. Right now nobody cares. It will cost you a little more to buy a second rifle but then you can sell the one you have. Again - just my 2 cents.

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It appears to be a little known (and for some reason occasionally controvesial) secret that Marlin made the 336 with ballard rifling and d/t for scope in 1954 and half of 1955 (ballard). The Marlin catalogues never detailed that the d/t feature was being added until it was universal in 1956, however, print adds did. Just try to find a 336 that was not d/t'd in 1955 (M serial number). These rifles are not that hard to find if you know what you are looking for. If you want that particular combination I would find one of these rather than d/t yours. Over time the history books will acknowledge that these transitional rifles exist and I believe they will be prized. Right now nobody cares. It will cost you a little more to buy a second rifle but then you can sell the one you have. Again - just my 2 cents.

Rob
With all due respect I think you are mistaken Rob. I think they started some time in 55 since I'v seen several 55's D&T but no 54's. You are definately right that it wasn't cataloged until 56. Why would they start in 54, then stop & start again?
That aside you could have it done at the factory if you had an older gun & wanted it done.

At any rate I wouldn't do it to one today, theres plenty of cheap 336's that are already D&T.
 

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Hi Ken -

I am certainly not looking for an argument - I will let time bear it out right or wrong. Consider it my reserched theory - I have spent years looking for these guns for the exact reason as Jerry (I like the old ballard rifling and I want the option of having a scope). Out of probably a dozen rifles (30-30, 32 special and 35 rem), I have only seen one 1954 gun that was not d/t'd - a very early serial number (ALL were suspiciously factory quality jobs). Unfortunately it did not occur to me to start collecting pictures and serial numbers until recently - but I have a few now recorded.

I don't think that they started and stoped and started it again. They just started in early 1954 and never stopped. Lets get a spring shoot organized and I will bring two examples to show you next to what I consider a typical aftermarket d/t which I will also bring.

On your point that you could send your rifle back to Marlin to be d/t'd - I agree. I just dont believe that 90% + of the guns would have gone back to the factory. Further, all the guns that I have seen would have had to been d/t'd before they were finished (to make the holes prefectly flush with the top of the receiver and remove all lips/burs and provide and even finish). Maybe Tomray can confirm the manufacuting process - it would be the same for 1894's.

I love my Marlins and Marlin history as much as anyone on this site and would welcome being proved wrong. However, I also think it would be a shame for this to be true and not understood. I do think that these model transition periods are interesting - like the transition from ballard to microgroove in the Mounties. If I am right then there were approximately 18 months of production with ballard rifling and d/t for top mounted scopes - that would be cool.

I have learned that this is controversial and I do not wish to offend - just offer my observations.

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Hey I'll trade you my just acquired '51 336 35 SC that's D/T and scoped if your wood is as good as mine. I'll then just peep it. This thing shoots like a dream. Has a tiger stripe looking foregrip walnut and is beautiful. I DIDNT D/T it! Came that way. Don't think I could. Just enjoying this one the way it is.

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Hi Ken -

I am certainly not looking for an argument - I will let time bear it out right or wrong. Consider it my reserched theory - I have spent years looking for these guns for the exact reason as Jerry (I like the old ballard rifling and I want the option of having a scope). Out of probably a dozen rifles (30-30, 32 special and 35 rem), I have only seen one 1954 gun that was not d/t'd - a very early serial number (ALL were suspiciously factory quality jobs). Unfortunately it did not occur to me to start collecting pictures and serial numbers until recently - but I have a few now recorded.

I don't think that they started and stoped and started it again. They just started in early 1954 and never stopped. Lets get a spring shoot organized and I will bring two examples to show you next to what I consider a typical aftermarket d/t which I will also bring.

On your point that you could send your rifle back to Marlin to be d/t'd - I agree. I just dont believe that 90% + of the guns would have gone back to the factory. Further, all the guns that I have seen would have had to been d/t'd before they were finished (to make the holes prefectly flush with the top of the receiver and remove all lips/burs and provide and even finish). Maybe Tomray can confirm the manufacuting process - it would be the same for 1894's.

I love my Marlins and Marlin history as much as anyone on this site and would welcome being proved wrong. However, I also think it would be a shame for this to be true and not understood. I do think that these model transition periods are interesting - like the transition from ballard to microgroove in the Mounties. If I am right then there were approximately 18 months of production with ballard rifling and d/t for top mounted scopes - that would be cool.

I have learned that this is controversial and I do not wish to offend - just offer my observations.

Rob
I'm not wanting an arguement either, ;) you may very well be correct. I seem to recall that during an earlier discussion over this subject some people had 55's that werent tapped, matter of fact I'v been told mine couldn't have been factory by people who's words about Marlins prior to that were like gospel, maybe somebody with an untapped 55 will chime in.
I'm going to try & set something up at Wooster Mtn range in May. We wont be opening until April, likely late April due to the muddy conditions. I stopped by last week because I'v got a couple unfinished jobs I was doing before winter hit and everything not snow covered was mucky. I'm thinking mid to late May to let things calm down a little. Its usually very busy the first few weekends.
 

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Jerry - there are so many, many 336's out there that are already drilled and tapped... I'd leave that one of yours untouched, because it has somehow survived 60 years without being drilled & tapped. You can easily pick up another 336, probably already with a scope on it. Save that one for the collection.

My 1917 .30-06 was already "sporterized" when I got my hands on it years ago. So I didn't feel bad about setting it up with a scope and a lightweight fiberglass stock. If it had been original, I wouldn't have messed with it except to clean it and shoot it a bit.

FWIW, Guy
 

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BULL ROAR!! Drill and tap the gun and put on the scope of your choice. There are so many of these guns around that they have absolutely no appreciable collector value. What did you pay for it? $2500.00? Doubtful. If you paid what the normal going price is then you already know it's not a collector item.

Drill and tap it, scope it and use it. Geez, it's a Marlin for gosh sakes. It's a gun that's meant to be hunted with.
 

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Well, I say do what you need to do to make it work for you.

Yes, I know it is a waffle-top and they are somewhat special but not nearly special enough that you shouldn't be able to use it! Are you really going to care if it is worth $1000 in 30 or 40 years?

I know a line has to be drawn somewhere and for sure there are guns out there I wouldn't dream of altering and I don't know where exactly I draw that line, but I do know that if my eyes forced me to use a scope and I already had a waffle-top that I very much liked and didn't have (or want to spend) the money on another rifle, then I'd tap it, scope, shoot it, and enjoy it.

I remember my grandpa's shop. I don't think there was a type of tool made that he hadn't altered to suit his needs. He bought quality tools and granted these days there are all kinds of choices out there for special tools but he bent wrenches, altered screwdrivers, ground some tools all the way down into chisels and punches, shortened the handles on his hammers, modified a rotary saw into a table saw, and on and on.

He's been gone a long time now but nearly all of his tools are still in use within my family and many have been altered since then. I think he'd like that a lot more than the idea of us treating them with kid's gloves because they were grandpa's or particularly rare tool.

But what do I know? I just lopped the barrel off a 36G and there were less than 6000 of them made. ;)
 

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Not sure I'll be any help either?, one of the main selling points on my '50 336A .35 Remington was that it WAS/IS drilled and tapped, it had the plug screws in it when I got it, a standard Weaver base screwed right on (one hole is off just a whisker) I assume? it's one of the factory return jobs? or the smith knew what he was doing?
On my '53 336 R.C. .32 Special, after much chin scratching, I screwed a Williams 5D to the side and slid a Marbles slot blank in the barrel.
All of my other Marlins are new enough to be factory drilled and tapped.
In the end it's your riffle and yopu can do with it as you please.
 

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BULL ROAR!! Drill and tap the gun and put on the scope of your choice. There are so many of these guns around that they have absolutely no appreciable collector value. What did you pay for it? $2500.00? Doubtful. If you paid what the normal going price is then you already know it's not a collector item.

Drill and tap it, scope it and use it. Geez, it's a Marlin for gosh sakes. It's a gun that's meant to be hunted with.
I dunno about the statement about how many there are Hal. I'm pretty sure that theres relatively few built between 1948 & 1954 or 1955 compared to between 1955 & 2011. At best theres only 7 or 8 years worth of untapped 336's vs 56 years of D&T'd guns. I'm not saying he shouldn't do what he wants with his gun, I sure would. But I'd keep in mind that at one time none of the guns that are collectable today were collectible. Theres alot of D&T'd model 1893s out there that werent collectable when they were D&T'd but would be worth much more now if they werent. At least when those were done there wasn't a billion others already done. Some day, maybe not so far in the future given whats going on right now with Marlin, nice examples of old 336's will be collectible.

But I do agree a guy should do what he wants with whats his, God knows I do, I just want to make sure he has thought about it. Given the fact he came here to ask instead of just doing it I imagine he has second thoughts. One thing for sure, once them holes are there you cant go back. ;)
 

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Not sure I'll be any help either?, one of the main selling points on my '50 336A .35 Remington was that it WAS/IS drilled and tapped, it had the plug screws in it when I got it, a standard Weaver base screwed right on (one hole is off just a whisker) I assume? it's one of the factory return jobs? or the smith knew what he was doing?
On my '53 336 R.C. .32 Special, after much chin scratching, I screwed a Williams 5D to the side and slid a Marbles slot blank in the barrel.
All of my other Marlins are new enough to be factory drilled and tapped.
In the end it's your riffle and yopu can do with it as you please.
If the holes arent perfect then the factory didn't do it and I'd have to say the smith who did didn't know what he was doing. Should be a simple thing for any competent smith. I'v got a 1951 thats drilled & tapped, I think Ray Charles did it. ;D
Looked fine until I dropped a base on, the holes arent just out of line slightly but not even drilled square. I had to start all four screws at the same time & tighten a little at a time to get the base down flat on the reciever. I'm certain that most are done competently, but I'll NEVER buy another one thats not done at the factory. But, like I said to Hal, the guy should do what he wants, its his gun. Just seems a shame to me since it might be worth a bunch unaltered to his kid someday and D&T'd guns are a dime a dozen. :)
 

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I dunno about the statement about how many there are Hal. I'm pretty sure that theres relatively few built between 1948 & 1954 or 1955 compared to between 1955 & 2011. At best theres only 7 or 8 years worth of untapped 336's vs 56 years of D&T'd guns. I'm not saying he shouldn't do what he wants with his gun, I sure would. But I'd keep in mind that at one time none of the guns that are collectable today were collectible. Theres alot of D&T'd model 1893s out there that werent collectable when they were D&T'd but would be worth much more now if they werent. At least when those were done there wasn't a billion others already done. Some day, maybe not so far in the future given whats going on right now with Marlin, nice examples of old 336's will be collectible.

But I do agree a guy should do what he wants with whats his, God knows I do, I just want to make sure he has thought about it. Given the fact he came here to ask instead of just doing it I imagine he has second thoughts. One thing for sure, once them holes are there you cant go back. ;)
That all makes a lot of sense to me Ken. Especially when you consider it from the pre-55 and then 56 to date terms as you laid out.

And I think you're very right about the way things are now, even if Remington goes on to make superb rifles, I reckon the CT guns will be that much more sought after and I shudder to think about the alternatives but they surely would drive up prices and desirability. I tend to forget about that when I respond. :-\

I reckon this is the same as the ages old car debate between the purists and the hot rodders. ;D
 
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