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Will keep looking for the pics and thanks for a very good thread for ideas, issues and a wildcat.
 

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Did you get the rifle back yet?
 

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This is going to be special, I like it.
looking forward to completion and testing.
 

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Well, here we are at long last. I bought the project rifle just about 3 years ago in August 2011. After the ups, downs, chamber dimensions, reamers, dies, barrels etc., the finished rifle came home. Here are a couple of shots including proof that its a .35-30/30 (or that I paid someone to engrave ".35-30/30 " on my barrel). :)

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Here's a detail shot of the mag tube attach dovetail and the foreend cap attach. You will notice that the foreend tip screws are blued - Marlin sent the wrong ones so we improvised. Correct stainless ones are coming but no reason to wait on that little bit.

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Finally, a comparison shot of the finished .35-30/30 with my 1895SBL .45-70 stainless in its brown laminated stock. The .45-70 is the top rifle in the photo.

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While at my gunsmith's shop (its a two hour drive one way from here). We loaded up some rounds to figure out a fire forming load. We used his QuickLoad V3.6 software (and available components) to get a mild test load. We had factory new Win 32 Special cases, Win 748 powder, Speer HCFP 180 grain and 220 grain bullets and Hornady 200 grain FTX (Leverevolution) bullets. We experienced some trouble seating the larger 200 and 220 grain bullets, case crinkling etc. We were sizing the necks with the CH4D expander die and then seating also with the CH4D seating die. Cases were lubed for expansion etc., but even when we got the larger bullets to seat correctly, they would not chamber. We ended up using the Speer 180s the most as they would seat correctly and chamber without trouble.

Interestingly, the once fired cases would not completely resize in the CH4D die. They would only size about 4/5ths of the way to the shoulder at max adjustment for the die. Potential chamber differences between the CH4D and RCBS?? The RCBS sizer did fully resize the once fired brass right to the shoulder. Additionally, it was not a problem to seat and chamber both the 200 grain Hornadys or the 220 grain Speers in the once fired cases. This whole seating sizing thing is a bit of a puzzlement. In thinking about it after the fact I wonder if I should be running the cases through the sizer the first time (not just the expander) or maybe the expander followed by the sizer before loading and seating. My gunsmith seemed to think we didn't need to or shouldn't use the sizer the first time around but I wonder. I will give it a try once I get completely set up at home.

It was fun to finally shoot the completed rifle after all the prepping and waiting. Given the seating chambering problems encountered I am glad I did not size brass or prepare ammo in advance of having the rifle. Seems like its a better choice to build up the first couple rounds "as you go" to get a feel for things. Obviously, being at my gunsmith's shop and being able to assemble a cartridge and immediately fire it in the test area, then assemble another and test again etc., was a big bennie.

I'd like to thank everybody for their patience and interest in this thread and I am sorry things didn't happen as fast as we all would have liked them too. I am really going to enjoy this rifle I think (probably cause its the hardest I ever worked to get a rifle) and will continue to post as I work through loads etc.
 

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That's a beautiful rifle Gunny-G....Congrats!

Okay here's my two cents after living with a 35/30-30 for two years. Fire form your brass without any bullets. This has been discussed on MO several times. Fill up your 32Spl cases with 6gr Bulleyes, bring it almost full with grits and top off with a pinch of TP to hold everything in place. When you shoot these they will fit your chamber perfectly. I don't full length size my brass. I neck size using a carbide 357mag sizer with a decapping pin installed. I set the decapping rod so it bottoms out in the case and I use that as my gauge as to how far down to size the neck. I know you have a lot tied up in the custom reloading dies, but things aren't always cut and dry when dealing with a wildcat. You may have to feel your way around until you find a protocol that works for your particular rifle.

Good luck to you. I know you are going to love that rifle.

Edit add.....I don't own a set of 35/30-30 dies. Just one more thing to like about the cartridge.
 

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Awesome job, it looks fantastic!!!!!!
 

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John Taylor did mine, relining a ca. 1908 Winchester 1894 with shot out barrel. John recommended relining rather than reboring because old nickle steel barrels are problematic in getting a smooth finish in a rebore. He used a Redmond liner with 16" twist, roughed the chamber with a .30-30 reamer and used a .35 neck and throater to cut the neck. I use mine as a cast bullet hunting rifle, wanting something for Eastern whitetails which split the difference between a .32-40 and the .38-55. It does that. Veral Smith at LBT cut me a mold for a 260-grain plain-based bullet which gives 1600 fps with a nominal caseful of 4895, 4064, RL15 or Varget. No gas check is needed and I get no leading with my 1:30 tin/lead hunting alloy. Kills deer like Thor's hammer! For plinking the same bullet with 8.4 grains of Bullseye gets 1080 fps. I got Redding dies which come with a tapered neck expander to bring up .30-30 in one pass.

With 200-grain jacketed bullets the base is up in the neck and case capacity is close enough you can use .35 Remington data as long as you stay a few grains below max loads. Handgun bullets lighter than 200 grains did not work well for me. I prefer heavier bullets. Veralsaid a 260-grain would work in a 16": twist and it does as long as the bullet is less than an inch long, as this one of mine is.

Winchester or Federal new or once-fired brass works best. R-P will split the necks unless you neck anneal before reforming. I get best results by necking down Starline .38-55 brass and prefer it, because cases last MUCH longer and you won't lose any to neck splits.

Expanded bullet at right is Saeco #351 modified by Erik at www.hollowpointmold.com to 1/4" meplat and 60 degree cup point, cast of 50-50 wheelweights and plumbers lead, shot into water jugs at 100 yards, 16.2 grs. #2400 at 1420 fps recovered from 5th gallon jug!

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Gotta love that LBT mold! Veral does very nice work most of the time. We were "almost neighbors" for a while a few years ago. Never visited as he does not give time to visits, but we exchanged a lot of emails over a 35 year period. John Taylor is getting a lot of good press. I may have to be looking him up one of these days.

City Slicker - wish yours was a straight stock - we'd be talking! See you in a couple months. Vacation is scheduled for the week after the 4th of July. We will be in Potosi on the 3rd or the 4th.

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Another mold I've had good results with is the Accurate 36-245D. I use this one mostly for small game and plinking loads with 8-9 grains of Bullseye for about 1000-1100 fps. Cast 1:40 it rivets and expands some if large bones are hit, and even at subsonic velocity its penetration is astounding. This gives me an alternate bullet which is very accurate at lower subsonic velocities for low noise, and is distinctively different from the heavier 260-grain LBT bullet I use for "full charge" hunting loads.

The huge, ample grease groove ensures adequate lube capacity for use with LPG lube and Goex black powder without "fouling out" over long strings of fire.

If anyone needs to ask "Why would I want to shoot black powder?" The answer is Because I wanted to see what it did and I can!

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This has really been a great thread! I followed up the visit with Cityslicker and subsequent range time with his 35x30-30 with an offer to purchase, which he accepted and we made the deal a year later, upon my return to visit the relatives nearby. Remember the "straight grip" comment a few posts back? With a little input, and a spare straight stock, it is now a straight grip rifle and I am in LOVE! I haven't had much time with it as we have moved twice and a lot has been put on hold. Moving again this summer, returning to North Idaho to retire to our mountaintop home on 21 acres. I see a home shooting range in my future.
 

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Interesting thread. I have some interest in this as I have an 1893 Marlin I am thinking of using for a 35/30 project. My gunsmith friend is checking into getting the barrel rebored and I can get a new die set from Redding. Thanks for posting for all the updates.
 

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BH - it's probably in this thread somewhere, but mine came from City SLicker. It is a Marlin SC model rebored by JES in Oregon. Great job and like City Slicker, I did not buy dies for it. I neck size with the 357mag carbide sizer and seat and crimp with the 35Rem dies.
 

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Interesting thread and I'm not sure how I missed it until now. I would be interested to hear abut reloading for that gun and how it performs at the range. Any more photos? Also curious what the overall build set you back if you don't mind my asking. I have done a few custom guns and the prices can really get up there when you add it all up, especially when you get into NFA builds.
 

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BH - it's probably in this thread somewhere, but mine came from City SLicker. It is a Marlin SC model rebored by JES in Oregon. Great job and like City Slicker, I did not buy dies for it. I neck size with the 357mag carbide sizer and seat and crimp with the 35Rem dies.
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Even after City Slicker sent that rifle home with you he still kept up hounding me to do one myself. I still get an email from him about once every two months with a link to a bargain 30-30 rifle to send to JES. He is an enabler with the 35-30.

I think your rifle is the one he used when I watched him down a big whitetail in W Nebraska. It looked like a mulie whitetail cross. Hope it is still serving you well.

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This thread got me thinking about taking a 336SS and turning it into an SC variation in 35 rem. Need to finish off my 44-40 project first though.
 

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BFPGW - you are correct! He even sent me his left over 180's - jacketed stuff - the IDEA! I told him he should have stuffed it with them Saeco 245's, but his comfort zone was with the 180gr Jacketed bullets. They obviously got the job done, with just a little less cool factor, but still in the freezer! It is a great rifle. I made it a straight stock, gave him back the pistol grip he carved. It was beautiful, but I'm a straight stock kind of guy. It'll be my North Idaho Tractor/Truck Gun. Whitetail and Elk on the property. Saw some bear sign. Need a gamecam to see what's shaking. About a half mile from thousands of acres of state and timber company lands. Great playground...shooting range off the deck!

Retiring in July - moving up to North Idaho, Naples to be exact. Waiting on weather and paperwork to sign on the dotted line for a 21 acre spread on a mountain with a 1800 sq ft house built in 2009. Headed for Maine in late July to be there 2nd week of August for 50th High School reunion. Hope to get a stopover in Potosi one way or the other. Maybe get another day with you and City Slicker, maybe even SparkyCivil! I see him, his dad, and his son at Cheyenne a couple times now. Last year, his son stole the whole show! What a performance! Over 1200 yards!! DING! This is the rifle as I bought it. Funny I don't have a pic of it in straight stock form. I'll have to remedy that!
 

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Pretty neat conversion. Nice job!
 
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