[Buckeye]

I just think this would be a great round for the Handi-Rifle !

What do you think ?

 

[quickdtoo]

I think the 500 S&W would be even better since it's on the way! :wink:

http://www.internetguncatalog.com/details.asp?ItemNum=14117

 

[Montanan]

I believe the 45-70 can do anything those two calibers can do... if I need more and can get extra barrels and have them reamed up to 45-90, 45-100 or 45-110 with any bullets I want from 300-gr to over 500-grs :lol:

But with hotter smokeless loads the 45-70 can surpass those heavy black powder cartridge loads any way. That is why I love this cartridge it has such a nice spread when loading.

Of course when doing this, expect the buttstock to kiss your shoulder much harder as well :shock:

 

[Buckeye]

When will the 500 S&W Handi be out ??
What would be the Vel. in a 22in. Barrel ?
Dang it sounds good.

I 've been handloading the ole 45/70 for years.
And will be buying my 1st. Handi Rifle next year. I was planning on a 45/70 but now ,maybe this 500 S&W. ??

 

[quickdtoo]

When will the 500 S&W Handi be out ??
What would be the Vel. in a 22in. Barrel ?

Hard to tell with H&R, could be a while...the .204 Ruger was listed months before it was available, probably will be the same for the 500 S&W.

The only data I've seen for it is from pistol barrels, but I think in the rifle barrel it will only approach upper level 1 .45-70 energy, so for me it would only be a novelty as the .45-70 has much more to offer in a rifle.

Buffalo Bore's hot 500 S&W loads are 400gr/1675fps/2500ft/lbs.

Hornady lists their 500 S&W 350gr ammo at 1900/2805(muzzle) 1656/2131(50yd) 1439/1610(100yd)

For comparison, PMC lists their .45-70 350gr ammo as 2025/3167(muzzle)
1678/2187(100yd) 1390/1502(200yd)

The 500 S&W are more comparable to level 1 .45-70 loads.

The remington 300gr .45-70 ammo is listed as 1810/2182(muzzle)
1497/1492(100yd)

 

[Buckeye]

I'd guess you could add bout 350 to 400fps. on th e500 S&W in a 22in. barrel
Which would put the 400gr 50 cal bullet to about 2000fps. give or take a little ,and with the larger frontal area ,I'd put the 500 S&W ,right in there with the 45/70 ,maybe with or above what the levers can handle.

But the 500 S&W in the Handi can easily become a 50 Alaskan !!

Buckeye

 

[Skippy1]

How close is that to an old 50-90 load?

 

[Montanan]

How close is that to an old 50-90 load?

Skippy, I don't know how close those could be, but I thought I would post what the 50-90 AND the 50-110 are

Information obtained from the Accurate Arms 2003 loading manual for the 50-90 using 5744 powder.

(L) 365-gr FN start charge 38.7 gr vel 1651 max charge 43.0 gr vel 1795
(L) 440-gr SP start charge 34.2 gr vel 1432 max charge 38.0 gr vel 1557
(L) 550-gr FN start charge 31.5 gr vel 1298 max charge 35.0 gr vel 1411
(L) 700-gr SPTZ st charge 31.5 gr vel 1181 max charge 33.0 gr vel 1246

The following information was aquired from Mike Venturino's book, Shooting Lever Action Guns of the Old West page 211

50-110 cartridge: Also known as the 50-100 or .50 Express
Bullet used is a 300-gr GC Winchester Large Rifle Primers for Smokeless loads. Federal 215 for Blackpowder loads:

Accurate Arms XMP 5744 40.0 gr vel 1605
Goex FFg 105.0 gr vel 1726
Goex Cartridge 110.0 gr vel 1667

I hope this helps
Jon

 

[Skippy1]

Looks like that 365 grain load is a tad slower, but very similar to the 350 grn loads with the 500. And the 400 gr is reasonably close, too. HMMN. Newer, but still the same. Just think what the old .50 express could be loaded up to in a Ruger #1! I wouldn't want to shoot that- my shoulder hurts just thinkin' about it!

 

[Montanan]

Skippy

I will tell you that it kicks like a 4 legged mule. I used to shoot a .50 cal muzzleloader using 110.0 gr of FFg launching a 580-gr paper patch conical. Now the only differance in a BIG cal muzzleloader and a BIG cal BPCR gun is the brass cartridge. With a vernier rear tang sight and front globe sight w/inserts, I was shooting along side a buddy of mine at a 600 yard target. Him shooting his 45-110 Remmy Roller and me with my TC Express.

The only way to continuously handle the long strings that we were shooting was with shooting sticks and not sitting on a bench leaning into the rifles.

Many a 45-110 shooter using heavy bullets and stout loads have suffered a torn retna as a result of too light of rifle. A good 11.5 or better weight rifle is desired.. believe me the heavier the rifle the less it feels at the buttstock kissing end. :shock:

 

[Skippy1]

A torn Retina? DAGGONE! That's bad when a grown man ends up with Shaken Baby Syndrome from his smoke pole! I'll stick to my mild little 45-70!

 

[Montanan]

Skippy

Here is a picture of my BIG 50 which was the TC Express muzzleloader. The max charge I ever used was 110.0 grains of FFg Goex for long range shooting. The max range I shot at was 600 yards and hitting the target with no problem. Long range muzzleloading is not new at all and before getting into the BPCR game this is how I did it.

 

[Skippy1]

Sounds like fun. Right now, I'm in kind of an experimental stage- I'm trying out my Buffalo Classic and want to see how good I can get with it before I try out matches. If I feel compelled after that, I'll opt for a .54 cal 63 Sharps copy by Pedretti, or one of the other imports. I don't get to hunt as often as I would like, just because hunting season happens the same time as the holidays, and this time of year is so busy for us. So I would like to pick up long range shooting. I just want to learn more about doing things a simpler way, and having a good time.

110 grains pushing a 550 grain bullet does seem a bit like punishment, though.