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jump'n the gun here...(bullets haven't arrived yet) anyone have a good starting load/loads useing RD 350's w/ H4198 and the C.O.L.? My manuals only go to 300gr w/cast bullets.
 

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Re: 350 Ranchdog HCGC

Just loaded some using the 2.8 Lee Dipper (about 31 grains). This isn't top end, but it's enough for me. in my gun C.O.L. is 2.535 with the RD 350.

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Re: 350gr Ranchdog's

RD's max listed at 38.4gr @ 1862fps for H4198.

I seated mine to 2.535", just like rimrock. These were 10BHN and lubed with LLA/JPW. Rifle is 22" Ballard-bore and Skinner peep.

35.9gr.... 1824fps.... 2.1" (all groups are 3 rds at 50 yds)
36.9gr.... 1850fps.... 1.2"
37.9gr.... 1862fps.... 0.56"
38.4gr.... 1877fps.... 1.7"

You said "bullets haven't arrived yet." Are you waiting for the bullets (ahhem.....boolits :D) or the molds?
 

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Re: 350gr Ranchdog's

I havent used H4198 with the RD 432-350, but I got over 2050 fps using 43 grains of RL7. Groups average 1 1/2 inches at 100 yards.
 

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Re: 350gr Ranchdog's

The best powder IMHO is Reloader#7 for the 350gr RD bullet, I use 44grs for a avg of 2064fps with a 24" barrel, H322 also works good 45grs being max. I shoot only the 1-38 microgroove.
 

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Re: 350gr Ranchdog's

I started with Reloder 7, 4 grains below max , and worked my way up. I got my best accuracy at the lower powder charges , two inchs at 100. I am going to go down a few more grains and see if that gets any better. My groups were shrinking as a went slower. My goal with the 432350 was to shoot a softer bullet slower, and see if I got a little expansion.
 

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Re: 350gr Ranchdog's

Tedak said:
RD's max listed at 38.4gr @ 1862fps for H4198.

I seated mine to 2.535", just like rimrock. These were 10BHN and lubed with LLA/JPW. Rifle is 22" Ballard-bore and Skinner peep.

35.9gr.... 1824fps.... 2.1" (all groups are 3 rds at 50 yds)
36.9gr.... 1850fps.... 1.2"
37.9gr.... 1862fps.... 0.56"
38.4gr.... 1877fps.... 1.7"

You said "bullets haven't arrived yet." Are you waiting for the bullets (ahhem.....boolits :D)
 

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Re: 350gr Ranchdog's

"Boolits" Starrbow is sending some...I've never loaded any that heavy in T-4.
 

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Hows the load work coming on the 350gr?
 

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Starrbow...H4198 w/37.5gr seems to be the best (so far) 1 1/4" @ 50yds w/iron sites, havent tried other powders (yet). But now I need to break down and buy a chrony!
 

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I shoot the 432265 with Imr 4198, the 432300 with h322, and the 432350 with Reloder 7. Wife thinks I am crazy, but I will allways have options if one of these powders becomes hard to find.
 

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I buy my reloader in 32lbs lots, that way I don't have to worry about Lott # changes and I don't have to
Re-do my loads very often due to different Lott numbers.
 

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Anybody ever try one of these at a measly 1500fps? I just whacked two hogs with a 45-70 and a 400gr. Lyman going 1480fps, and was most impressed by the reaction and terminal end of the hogs. For less than 100 yards, I'm not sure if more is needed. I'm good with the load to 175 yards without too much thinking, and its alot more pleasant to shoot than some screaming high pressure load. Just wondered...
 

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I once thought about it, but then I came to my senses and let the 45-70 Fuds have at it. I'm sure the results would be the same with the heavier bullets and slower velocities. I just can't seem to bring myself to stoop the 444 down to 45-70 levels ;D
 

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Can't incite me with the rhetoric, but I'd bet it would react the same as well. I hit the thick part of one hogs shoulder through going into just behind the head and the result was nothing short of catastrophic for that poor pig. He was around 300 pounds, so it was interesting to see him switch ends in the air!
 

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Once upon a time a nice old gent coined a one word phrase about big bullets on game animals, it was:
"Whompability"I think that covers most big bore bullets, at any velocity.
 

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I've ordered lube from the Bullshop, but not boolits. I sent them a letter, along with a check via snail-mail to place my order. DO NOT EXPECT EXPRESS SHIPPING with these folks and their website even mentions how their pace may not live up to some people's expectations. ;) My order arrived about 2-3 weeks after I sent the check. They are spoken very well of at the Castboolits forum and the Bullplate lube that I ordered from them works as advertised. 8)

If you have any questions, drop them an e-mail first. I'll order from them again....
 

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There's only ~0.026" difference in bullet OD and ~4-6 gr difference in case volume between the 45-70 and 444M. A 350-400 gr slug in either will do pretty much the same damage and produce the EXACT same energy at the same velocity.

Way back in the distant past I read an article about the 444 and the author implied that the 444M wasn't much good with bullets over 265 gr and the velocity was too low...so I didn't bother with the 444M until recently.

In the interim I went from Hi-Velo small cal light bullet to larger cal, heavy for cal bullets, realized what has been evident for a very long time and finally woke up to what I had been missing out on...for close in work you can't beat a BIG bullet at relatively low velocities and the 444M doesn't have to shine NO STINK'N' 45-70 SHOES. :mad: ;D ::)

I never liked that big 45-70 rim in anything except a single shot so when I was looking around for something to build on a SMLE receiver I picked the 458 American...I could have just as easily picked the 450 M or the 444M but by picking the 444 them I would have missed out on doing this 356W/444M/??? swap barrel Marlin 336. Things seem to work out in the end when you don't get locked down to tight.

I have big bore rifles from 375 to 50 cal including 45-70 to 45-120...and there were BP cartridges in 44 cal just as long or longer than in 45 cal....the 44-100 Wesson has the same case volume size as the 45-120.

It's just circumstance that brought the 45-70 into deeper consciousness and made it the favorite toy-boy and nostalgia took over from there.

You can shoot the same weight bullets in both cases, loaded to the same COAL, at the same pressure, to the same velocity...it's basically the same arguement between the 45-70 and the 450M...a tempest in a teacup and much ado about nothing. ;D

Be happy we have choice!!!!and enjoy your 444M...or WHATEVER caliber you chose. 8)

LUCK
 
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