Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
Maybe, but I bet it shot OK with 200 gr bullets and the factory open sights.
Maybe, but I bet it shot OK with 200 gr bullets and the factory open sights.
.35 Rem shooting 23" high
.35 Rem shooting 23" high
I have a 1971 336 in .35 Remington. I purchased it a few months from a guy going through a divorce. I mounted a Williams FP receiver sight on it and co-located (made sure they both saw the same sight picture) the receiver sight with the factory sight. I finally got around to shooting it this week. Using 150 gr Remington Core-locked ammo it shot 23 inches high at 100 yards (recoil was very mild). It was shooting 1" groups though which pleased me. What bothers me is that you can tell the rifle has been shot a lot. I figure it probably had a scope on it at one time to make up for the iron sights shooting high. Anyway, I have figured out how high to make the front sight & need to order one. I prefer the receiver sights, so that is the way I will go (using a taller front sight). So my question is do you think it was previously scoped?
I have a 1971 336 in .35 Remington. I purchased it a few months from a guy going through a divorce. I mounted a Williams FP receiver sight on it and co-located (made sure they both saw the same sight picture) the receiver sight with the factory sight. I finally got around to shooting it this week. Using 150 gr Remington Core-locked ammo it shot 23 inches high at 100 yards (recoil was very mild). It was shooting 1" groups though which pleased me. What bothers me is that you can tell the rifle has been shot a lot. I figure it probably had a scope on it at one time to make up for the iron sights shooting high. Anyway, I have figured out how high to make the front sight & need to order one. I prefer the receiver sights, so that is the way I will go (using a taller front sight). So my question is do you think it was previously scoped?
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Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
Halwg: nice point about the ammo (and trajectory) likely being different before.
The practical point is how to point and shoot at what you want with what you want to use.
The conversation on front sight height has been had a few times and here is a good example:
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,82325.0.html
Peace
Halwg: nice point about the ammo (and trajectory) likely being different before.
The practical point is how to point and shoot at what you want with what you want to use.
The conversation on front sight height has been had a few times and here is a good example:
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,82325.0.html
Peace
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
WOW 23" high. Man you have a long distance .35. ;D
WOW 23" high. Man you have a long distance .35. ;D
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
lower the rear so it is almost touching the receiver, get a box of 200 grain core-lokts and let us know..
sounds like the gun has potential.
lower the rear so it is almost touching the receiver, get a box of 200 grain core-lokts and let us know..
sounds like the gun has potential.
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
I imagine you have the rear down on the reciever? If not lower that puppy as far as it can go. Most of my Marlins end up about full down to get zero'd. I figure thats a good thing. I do have one thats a good 1/4" up & that bugs me.
If the rear is fully down & its shooting that high you definately need a taller front.
I imagine you have the rear down on the reciever? If not lower that puppy as far as it can go. Most of my Marlins end up about full down to get zero'd. I figure thats a good thing. I do have one thats a good 1/4" up & that bugs me.
If the rear is fully down & its shooting that high you definately need a taller front.
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
1SG Ret
What diameter aperture do you have in the Williams? I have a couple, one being an inch in diameter the second just over 3/8 inch. If I have the large in the sight it can be setting on the receiver and still shoot about 18 inches high (30-30 Win). With the 3/8 in place I can use the factory front sight and the rear is about 1/32 off the receiver to be on at 100 yards. Shenandoah
1SG Ret
What diameter aperture do you have in the Williams? I have a couple, one being an inch in diameter the second just over 3/8 inch. If I have the large in the sight it can be setting on the receiver and still shoot about 18 inches high (30-30 Win). With the 3/8 in place I can use the factory front sight and the rear is about 1/32 off the receiver to be on at 100 yards. Shenandoah
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
A one inch aperature? I'm assuming you mean outside dia. The standard size that comes with the Williams FP will let the sight set right on the reciever top or real close to it, regardless of aperture opening. I'm not sure how fat around they are but I cant recall any ever interfering with elevation.
A one inch aperature? I'm assuming you mean outside dia. The standard size that comes with the Williams FP will let the sight set right on the reciever top or real close to it, regardless of aperture opening. I'm not sure how fat around they are but I cant recall any ever interfering with elevation.
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
My ADL was shooting about a foot high with factory Irons. I finally got around to putting a 5D on it and it set higher than the rear factory. I will sight it in this week end with a much taller front sight from my junk box. I could imagine it going close to two feet up without the different front post. It may not work, but I should get close. May need to call Dr. Skinner. I like his flat top posts. Good day, Jack
My ADL was shooting about a foot high with factory Irons. I finally got around to putting a 5D on it and it set higher than the rear factory. I will sight it in this week end with a much taller front sight from my junk box. I could imagine it going close to two feet up without the different front post. It may not work, but I should get close. May need to call Dr. Skinner. I like his flat top posts. Good day, Jack
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
It might be the ammo. My .35 will shoot just about any 200gr very well. 150gr's pattern like a shotgun for skeet.....1sgret said:I have a 1971 336 in .35 Remington. I purchased it a few months from a guy going through a divorce. I mounted a Williams FP receiver sight on it and co-located (made sure they both saw the same sight picture) the receiver sight with the factory sight. I finally got around to shooting it this week. Using 150 gr Remington Core-locked ammo it shot 23 inches high at 100 yards (recoil was very mild). It was shooting 1" groups though which pleased me. What bothers me is that you can tell the rifle has been shot a lot. I figure it probably had a scope on it at one time to make up for the iron sights shooting high. Anyway, I have figured out how high to make the front sight & need to order one. I prefer the receiver sights, so that is the way I will go (using a taller front sight). So my question is do you think it was previously scoped?
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
Leverdude - Yes, I was talking about the outside diameter of the aperture. The two apertures have different size center holes with the larger having a smaller hole. I have no way to accurately measure it, but it is smaller than the hole in the center of the 3/8 inch one. The larger was from a bolt action 22 target rifle, however, the thread to screw it into the williams sight is apparently a common size, as it will fit in both a redfield and williams sight I have on two Marlins. Shenandoah
Leverdude - Yes, I was talking about the outside diameter of the aperture. The two apertures have different size center holes with the larger having a smaller hole. I have no way to accurately measure it, but it is smaller than the hole in the center of the 3/8 inch one. The larger was from a bolt action 22 target rifle, however, the thread to screw it into the williams sight is apparently a common size, as it will fit in both a redfield and williams sight I have on two Marlins. Shenandoah
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
The words were taken right out of me mouth. Try the 200 gr Bullet and see if you even need a higher front sight.
I sighted in my 338MX using HDY. LE. and reloads with AA2520 [44.0gr.] 200 gr. FTX bullets. These two ammo were in the X ring.
I had a pound of W760 and decided to try it the next time at the range. I set up at 100 yards. I started with the HDY.LE and then My reloads with AA2520 they were spot on. I then tried the W760 powder reloads. I fired a few rounds and no hit. So I aimed at the bottom of the target and a hit at 12: high. I fired a few more same bottom aim and group 12: high. Just a different powder but the same rifle, primer, case, bullet, aim and the bullet went 18" to 20" high. Easy fix I don't use this powder anymore with my 338MX. You might think that the velocity was higher with the W760. But it was 50 fps slower than the AA2520 powder.
TO NY
The words were taken right out of me mouth. Try the 200 gr Bullet and see if you even need a higher front sight.
I sighted in my 338MX using HDY. LE. and reloads with AA2520 [44.0gr.] 200 gr. FTX bullets. These two ammo were in the X ring.
I had a pound of W760 and decided to try it the next time at the range. I set up at 100 yards. I started with the HDY.LE and then My reloads with AA2520 they were spot on. I then tried the W760 powder reloads. I fired a few rounds and no hit. So I aimed at the bottom of the target and a hit at 12: high. I fired a few more same bottom aim and group 12: high. Just a different powder but the same rifle, primer, case, bullet, aim and the bullet went 18" to 20" high. Easy fix I don't use this powder anymore with my 338MX. You might think that the velocity was higher with the W760. But it was 50 fps slower than the AA2520 powder.
TO NY
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
I'd just get with Skinner Sights and get a taller front post and be done with it.
I'd just get with Skinner Sights and get a taller front post and be done with it.
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
I bought a used 336 35 form a pawn shop with a scope. I let them keep the scope and used iron sights. WIth 200 grain rems and my handloads it was anywhere from 6 inches high to a foot high with the rear sight elevator out. I ordered an ivory bead from Brownells (either Williams or Marbles) based on the formula on this site in a sticky. Fixed it - shoots fine now (2 inches high at 50 yds, what I wanted).
I bought a used 336 35 form a pawn shop with a scope. I let them keep the scope and used iron sights. WIth 200 grain rems and my handloads it was anywhere from 6 inches high to a foot high with the rear sight elevator out. I ordered an ivory bead from Brownells (either Williams or Marbles) based on the formula on this site in a sticky. Fixed it - shoots fine now (2 inches high at 50 yds, what I wanted).
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
+1 on the Skinner front post. I picked up a 35 Rem. Wanted a Skinner peep, and was shooting LEs. Andy recommended that I should get a higher front post or I would be way high. He provided a set - rear peep and higher front post. Combo worked perfect. With the rear all the way down, I am dead on at 100 yds with LE (which tends to shoot high for most...) and yet should have plenty of adjustment as I work on some loads with the Speers.
Just turn the rifle upside down and shoot! (Sorry - couldn't resist!)Tatersoup said:I'd just get with Skinner Sights and get a taller front post and be done with it.
+1 on the Skinner front post. I picked up a 35 Rem. Wanted a Skinner peep, and was shooting LEs. Andy recommended that I should get a higher front post or I would be way high. He provided a set - rear peep and higher front post. Combo worked perfect. With the rear all the way down, I am dead on at 100 yds with LE (which tends to shoot high for most...) and yet should have plenty of adjustment as I work on some loads with the Speers.
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
I realize this is an older post but I see it's back up. Honestly, I can't imagine it being the ammo. Three to six inches different, sure but 23 inches with a 1" group? No way.
If it were me, I'd try it without the peep and just use the factory rear. If that brings things back in line it tells me your front sight is correct for the rifle and has not been changed by a previous owner. If putting the peep on again puts you back to 23" high, you need a taller front sight. Period.
I realize this is an older post but I see it's back up. Honestly, I can't imagine it being the ammo. Three to six inches different, sure but 23 inches with a 1" group? No way.
If it were me, I'd try it without the peep and just use the factory rear. If that brings things back in line it tells me your front sight is correct for the rifle and has not been changed by a previous owner. If putting the peep on again puts you back to 23" high, you need a taller front sight. Period.
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
My 30TK came with a williams peep and was shooting about 11 or 12" high so I put on about 1/2" front on and it shoots very sweet now. Most accurate gun I have!
Jim
My 30TK came with a williams peep and was shooting about 11 or 12" high so I put on about 1/2" front on and it shoots very sweet now. Most accurate gun I have!
Jim
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
Thanks for the info guys. I am going thru a medical problem with my wife right now. When things settle down, I will head back out to the range to let you know if your ideas work.
I did shoot it with the receiver sight & the factory mounted rear sight. Both had almost the exact same result & both are down all the way. I figure I need a taller front sight. I did the figuring for sight height & I just need time to order one. I don't know off the top of my head what the diameter of the receiver sight apature is. I will have to measure it.
Again,
Thank you.
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Thanks for the info guys. I am going thru a medical problem with my wife right now. When things settle down, I will head back out to the range to let you know if your ideas work.
I did shoot it with the receiver sight & the factory mounted rear sight. Both had almost the exact same result & both are down all the way. I figure I need a taller front sight. I did the figuring for sight height & I just need time to order one. I don't know off the top of my head what the diameter of the receiver sight apature is. I will have to measure it.
Again,
Thank you.
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Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
I wouldn't be surprised if your barrel wasn't "squared" with the receiver either, resulting in the barrel being angled upward. A taller front sight blade will fix you right up. In my experience, its better to have a taller front blade with the peep very low, as opposed to a shorter front with the peep set way up high. I have had rifles which required the tallest front blades, no problem. "Spec 4" (Preacher)
I wouldn't be surprised if your barrel wasn't "squared" with the receiver either, resulting in the barrel being angled upward. A taller front sight blade will fix you right up. In my experience, its better to have a taller front blade with the peep very low, as opposed to a shorter front with the peep set way up high. I have had rifles which required the tallest front blades, no problem. "Spec 4" (Preacher)
Re: .35 Rem shooting 23" high
Preacher,
Thanks for the info. I know how much higher to make the front sight, just have to get time to order one. I figured I'd go with a fiber optic type sight.
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Preacher,
Thanks for the info. I know how much higher to make the front sight, just have to get time to order one. I figured I'd go with a fiber optic type sight.
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