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Well, I went to the range today in order to zero my 336 35 Rem and the M94AE 30-30. I also loaded some test rounds with Hodgdon's LVR powder over the 200gr Core Lokt RN in the 35 Rem, and the 170gr Sierra FN.

Here is what I got across the chrono

30-30

34.5gr 2084, 2134, 2104


35.5gr 2240, 2161, 2120, 2245

36.5gr 2248, 2203, 2198, 2261


35 Rem

43.5gr 2083, 2185, 2220, 2229

44gr 2225, 2219, 2252, 2240

44.5gr 2269, 2280, 2297, 2290

45gr 2269, 2291, 2284

Sorry for not having any targets for the 35 Rem. Nothing was spectacular with either rifle, both shot into the 2" range, probably more like 3" most of the time. Still, plenty accurate enough and way more accurate than I was with the rifle. They both sport Williams 5D sights, but the front sight on the Winchester was much more target friendly than the brass bead on the Marlin. Both are good deer killers. Seems the LVR powder is pretty decent and seems accurate enough

Just for reference, the Remington 200gr Factory ammo ran 2040 across my chrono and the 30-30 with 170gr PP ran 2075 out of my rifle. Either way, I got some good speeds and with some more time with the rifles, I believe accuracy will get better. They are some FUN rifles! Loved shooting them. Scotty



 

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What is the max load for the LVR powder in the 35 Remington? Those are a little better velocities than I have achieved with AA2520 powder.
 

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Halwg, I went with 45gr's, as that is what is listed with Hodgdon online data. I think Hornadys is about a grain lower. Seems like it does get extra compared to factory stuff. Not sure I would mess with it, if I already had a good shooting load. Scotty
 

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Scotty, thanks for the data. You don't have any 220 Speers on hand, do you? If so, the Max load ought to be the same as the 200 FTX, which is 41.4 grains. I'd be curious to know what the pressures is like if the 220 Speer is pushed to 2,200 fps. If the pressure is much less than the 42 grain load of 2520.
 

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I don't have any 220gr Speers. I have picked them up and set them back a few times. They worked excellent in my 358 Win, but I just have not gone back to them. Might give them a look the next time I am at my reloading place. They are a great bullet. Not sure how they'll really work in the 35 Rem though. Seems like they are really tough, at least that is what I saw out of the 358, but I could be wrong. Scotty
 

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Halwg, I went with 45gr's, as that is what is listed with Hodgdon online data. I think Hornadys is about a grain lower. Seems like it does get extra compared to factory stuff. Not sure I would mess with it, if I already had a good shooting load. Scotty
Hornady #8 book max out at 42.7gr. of LVR. for the 35R. The reason why that seems correct to me is they list three bullets for the same data. Each bullet has the cannelure at a different depth. The FTX must be seated the deepest next the SP-RP and last the RN. Hodgdon has data for each bullet mention. There is just more space for powder using the HDY. RN. I believe the Rem RN cannelure is the same or close to HDY. RN. .358" RN bullet.

I had great success with my 336XLR-35R with H4895, 36.2gr. and the FTX 200gr. bullet. I posted this picture a few time already but it's all I have right now.

T :) NY
 

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That looks like a great shooting load. I have some more 200's for the 35 loaded up and more 170's for the 30-30. I split them down into .5gr's and will give them a whirl the next time I am at the range. It is fun to shoot the lever guns. Not too worried about speed, it is plenty for what I intend to do. Just want to get a decent hunting load for this Fall. Scotty
 

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I like to mention at this time I have a test batch of 35R with LVR powder and FTX, RPSPCL, HDY. RN. all 200gr. bullets. I'm just waiting for it to stop raining to go to the range.

My test would be pressure and accuracy only. I don't have a chronograph.

The Rem. PSPCL. to be tested in my 760-35R and the 336XLR-35R. (as a two shot)It would be great if I could use the LVR powder in these calibers, 32 spl., 30 30, 35R, 338ME, 308ME. there is a listed data for these calibers in the HDY.#8 book.

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Looking forward to this test. Seems like a great powder, meters like water, and it is fast. Scotty
 

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Scotty,

I use the 220 Speer for elk and deer at 2,200 fps. Excellent bullet. Last fall, it through-and-throughed a bull at 12 yards, took a cow at 300 yards, and traveled through the chest of a doe at close range--under her spine to the pelvis where it blew up her spine. It works for what I do.

Does anyone know if the Hornady Manual #8 lists the pressure of the max load for the FTX? That ought to be very similar to the pressure of the 220 Speer.
 

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Scotty,

I use the 220 Speer for elk and deer at 2,200 fps. Excellent bullet. Last fall, it through-and-throughed a bull at 12 yards, took a cow at 300 yards, and traveled through the chest of a doe at close range--under her spine to the pelvis where it blew up her spine. It works for what I do.

Does anyone know if the Hornady Manual #8 lists the pressure of the max load for the FTX? That ought to be very similar to the pressure of the 220 Speer.
No data on pressure. but hodgdon does.
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load_print.asp?printnow=1

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Scotty,

I use the 220 Speer for elk and deer at 2,200 fps. Excellent bullet. Last fall, it through-and-throughed a bull at 12 yards, took a cow at 300 yards, and traveled through the chest of a doe at close range--under her spine to the pelvis where it blew up her spine. It works for what I do.

Does anyone know if the Hornady Manual #8 lists the pressure of the max load for the FTX? That ought to be very similar to the pressure of the 220 Speer.
Very impressive performance. I know the Speer never slowed down on deer when shot out of my 358 Win. It is a perfect bullet for the 358 Win I think. Wastes very little meat and penetrates really well. Plus, it is of pretty decent shape and accurate to 300 in my rifle. Scotty
 

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lever101 said:
Scotty,

I use the 220 Speer for elk and deer at 2,200 fps. Excellent bullet. Last fall, it through-and-throughed a bull at 12 yards, took a cow at 300 yards, and traveled through the chest of a doe at close range--under her spine to the pelvis where it blew up her spine. It works for what I do.

Does anyone know if the Hornady Manual #8 lists the pressure of the max load for the FTX? That ought to be very similar to the pressure of the 220 Speer.
Lever101,

What rifle are you shooting the 220 Speer in for your Elk kills? The Marlin 336 .35Rem or some other rifle? Just curious! That 300 yard cow kill would be a long shot for the Marlin 336, at least with my skill set! I don't picture a shot over 200 yards with my Marlin 336 and the .35 Rem FTX ammo, but would not hesitate if the opportunity offered itself and I was toting the Rugger 77 in .308.

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CJ, I used my 336 for all hunts described above. 300 yards is irresponsible with a 336, but sometimes the right thing to do isn't responsible. Fortunately, the kill resulted in harvested meat and a grateful, full-bellied family. A typical shot for me is under 30 yards. You can read a more descriptive story of the hunt at the link below; I tried to outline my major decisions in the hunt:

http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,81004.0.html
 
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