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It's true Hornady is going to be giveing the old war horse a shot in the arm. Hornady is hopeing that the new ammo will be on the way shortly after the first of the year. They are saying that this new ammo will boost the 150 and 170 grain bullets 200 FPS, in effect giveing very compareable ballistics to the old .300 savage.
There is quite a bit of talk about this over at www.leverguns.com. So what does everyone here think about this new ammo.? I know that I will be giveing it a try as soon as I can.
 

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It will make a 30-30 into a honest 200 yard gun. It will kill two birds with one stone: 1) why get a Ackley Improvement & 2) why get a 307? The 307 is only about 300 ft/sec faster. A good used 30-30 costs about $175 to $200. A good used 307 cost about $425 to $475. Keep the difference and purchase the shells. No reloading dies, no brass, no powder, and no primers plus you save $250 on the cost of the rifle. Sounds to good to be true. I wish they would do the same thing with a 35 Remington.
 

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I'm curious, will have a "wait and See" attitude.

Great to see that the old cartridge is still thought about. I still
hunt with the ol 30-30.
 

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Winchester already did that a couple of years ago. They offer the Power-Plus load with the 150gr Power Point bullet over a load pushing it to ~2,400fps from a 20" bbl. They are in a "Black" box labeled SUPREME, and unfortunatly have a "SUPREME" price tag too! The box I saw at a gun shop was tagged at $24.95. Yeah!, over a buck a shot for .30/30's!

I don't think SO, thankyou!

I loaded my first 500rds for the .30/30 back in '70's for less than that!

The best thing about the Hornady's will be that they are running the excellent 150 and 170gr interlok .30/30 bullets to that same speeds.

Actually, they (Hornady) are just doing what a lot of us reloader have been doing with the .30/30 for years.

The loads will be the long promised "Light Magnum" load, and unfortunatly, will probably have a "MAGNUM" sized price tag.
 

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First of all, I will believe those velocity claims when I see actual results. Everyone uses 24" barrels for their tests, and the 20" barrel velocities fall way short.

Brian Pierce did an article on the .30-30 a couple years ago in Handloader or Rifle magazine. He tested the .30-30 with all the latest offerings.

He used around 10 different loads of 170 grain factory ammunition and not one of them broke the 2000 fps mark.

I have a .307 and with the factory 180 grain ammo in my 20" barrel I get an honest 2400 fps. Thats a big difference - with factory ammo. If they made factory 170 grain ammo I would probably get close to 2500 fps.

The .30-30 will never come close. This new ammo will probably give you 2200 fps in a 20" barrel.

Handloads will probably be able to match it.

If you simply must have something faster, rechamber your 30-30 to .307. Costs around $100.
 

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HORNADY

.30-30 Win., 170 gr. FP 8085
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
2200/1827 1796/1218 1450/793 1186/530 - -

Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.50 0.00 -9.40 -35.70 - -
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.30-30 Win., 150 gr. RN 8080
Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
2390/1902 1959/1278 1581/832 1276/542 - -
Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.50 0.00 -7.70 -29.60 - -

The Hornady 170 gr. factory ammo chronys a legit 2200 fps from my 336W

Dave 8)
 

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Gosh without it the 30-30 may not have survived!!!!! Think I'll stick to my reloads and the stock cartridge after 110 years it is still pretty good the way it is. I sure hope it helps the old cartridge gain a few converts, and a few more lever guns sold.
 

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PMC makes a 30-30 +p now. Barnes X-bullet. Their posted ballistics are
2300 fps for 150 gr, adn 2150 for 170 gr. I tried their +p for my 45-70 but I cant handle the kick. Painfull to my shoulder
 

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With a Marlin 336, the 30/30 can be loaded to a higher CUP, than what factory ammo is produced,Like the 45/70 ammo.I feel with a 30/30 AI with hot handloads and useing a 150 gr. bullet could beat a 300 Savage and maybe give the .307 a run for its money.
I would like to see .32 Win. Special +P loads if any one there has got any?
Now I could see that Cartridge (which already has a Vel. edge on the 30/30 ) In the 32 Spec. AI loaded at higher pressures maybe able to match the .307 win. s factory loads.


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In a Marlin 336, why bother going to 30-30AI when you chamber directly to .307?

You can buy factory loaded ammo. You don't have to fireform brass because its plentiful and cheap, and any .308 winchester loading die will work. No special dies need to be ordered.

It just seems like so much work to go to the 30-30 AI for the increase in performance it provides. And if you want 30-30ai velocities, you can always download the .307.

Like you said, the 30-30 can be loaded a little higher as it is in the 336 action anyway, and theres nothing wrong with the plain 'ol 30-30.
 

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What about +p the Rem 35 to 30-30 pressures or a little above and use 180 grain bullet? I've read you 2,300 fps from 180 grain and 2,200 from 200 grains.

I venture you'd get close to 307 preformace inside 200 yards and you don't need to do ANY modifications to the gun! Either AI a 30-30 or modify to .307.
 

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Yes thats true. I get around 2400 fps with the 180 grain speer. Its probably running at around 30-30 pressures, but I have no way to be sure. We need pressure data to confirm this.

My .307 gets that with factory winchester 180 grain ammo. I never got to try the 150 grain factory ammo, but I bet it would be around 2600 fps. So the ft. lbs. are the same, but the .307 shoots flatter.

Either way, both are fine to 200 yards.
 

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I feel if the .307 was re-interduced it would sell like Hot-Cakes !!
I'd like to see some of your guys Hot-Hand loads for the 30-30,if you wouldn't mind to share.. :)


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Buckeye, I too would like to see what peoples upper limit on 30-30 handloading is.

The marlin action can definitely handle higher pressures, but I don't know about the 30-30 brass itself. I think it can handle higher pressure, but how much it can handle safely is anyones guess.
 

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The load I settled on was 30 gr. IMR 3031 under any 170 gr. bullet (hasn't seemed to make any difference in my 3 .30-30s). I did load 150s with a friend for use in his Marlin and apparently they were chronied (by somebody else) at 2400 fps (IIRC). I'd like to report on his use but he neck shot the 2 deer he killed with that load before he gave the rifle away.
 

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hey guys,
nothing wrong with wanting to get a little more out of your 30/30 but this or a dozen posts just like it is what got the old Marlin Talk board killed.
Pb
 
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I feel if the .307 was re-interduced it would sell like Hot-Cakes !!
I'd like to see some of your guys Hot-Hand loads for the 30-30,if you wouldn't mind to share.. :)


Buckeye
In Brophy's book it is stated that Marlin NEVER put the 307 WIN in production, only the 356 WIN was produced :D
 

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pappa bear said:
hey guys,
nothing wrong with wanting to get a little more out of your 30/30 but this or a dozen posts just like it is what got the old Marlin Talk board killed.
Pb
The difference here is there is no corporate sponsorship of the site. If marlin hadn't shut the site down, then it would have seemed that they were condoning the hot load data.

Speaking of loading the 30-30 hot, Ken Waters in a Pet Loads article on the 30-30 tried to work up some hotter loads using a strong bolt action rifle, a Winchester Model 54 to be exact. Turns out the brass just was not strong enough for the hotter loads, and this in a rifle that not only was a lot stronger than any lever action, but gave better support to the cartridge case. Based on his report, I'd say hot rodding the 30-30 is not a very good idea.

If you want .300 Savage results, buy a used .300 Savage in the M99 and be done with it, or a Browning BLR in .308 and forget about it. That would seem to be the sensible way to go about it.
Paul B.
 

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If you want .300 Savage results, buy a used .300 Savage in the M99 and be done with it
If you want 300 savage results, use your 35 remington!

This was taken from the reloadbench site by the author:

Possibly the most outstanding whitetail load for the .35 Remington, one that rivals the .300 Savage in performance is the Speer 180 grain flatnose bullet pushed to 2300 fps by H335 or Bl-C(2).
 

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Paul B. ,
I hope Hornaday' s loads aren't dangerous.
Paul if you can safely up- grade the 45/70 ,38-55, & the 35 Rem. ,whats wrong with Hornaday up -gradeing the 30/30 or us with careful (which I always do) handloads.
I feel Marlin shut down there site because of the the Quality control issues of there guns that where coming up !


Marlin did produce a couple of 307s but they where not released ,But the 307 was in the Big Bore 94 ,thats wat I was refering to.

Buckeye
 
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