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Well, we had alot of water jugs on tap in order to do some bullet testing. So I will go in order of shots. First up was Brians 45-70 with the 500gr DGX at 1150 or so. We tried to get straight penetration but our set up was a little skewed. We kept getting 6-7 jugs and the bullet was slipping out. Here are the attempts at capturing these slugs.



First attempt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oml2iZGIHLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjhlIIB7Bp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz2klPiTRW4

Then, moving on we moved to the 30-30 Win with the 170gr Sierra PH. My son shot this one into jugs and did a great job and had a blast. The recovered bullet is just about perfect. Very good performance I would say by any bullet maker!







Here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_MVH1MCQjo

Then we moved onto the 35 Rem with the 200gr CLRN... Very impressive bullet at that speed. Probably the prettiest mushroom I have ever seen in person.







Here is some video of the bullet recovery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41VhilHoxn8

Then we moved onto the 45-70 as loaded by Hornady. The speed is chronoed at 1850FPS and shot a decent group like this. They are pretty good shooting loads. Good handloads beat them out, but I think there is alot of hype about this bullet exploding and such. Can't really say I would believe that. Maybe if pushed faster than 2000, but not below.









Here is the video from the bullet test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6yI0027UYk

This was the results of pushing that bullet to 2200FPS.. Not as good, but it would still be very hard to stop one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz2klPiTRW4

Hope you guys enjoyed the videos. Again, it just shows that until you actually test bullets yourself against "something", you really cannot judge them from internet findings. Too much baloney floating around about bullets and bad reps can be made pretty quick from just hearsay. That FTX is a prime example. I thought it was going to be soft and not very tough. At 2000 or below, it would take some BIG animal to slow them down. Scotty
 

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I've been testing 444 and 30-06 bullets and ready to do some more. The 45 cal FTX appears to be a little tougher than it is in 444. At factory ammo velocity and 30 feet from jugs, the bullet and core did seperate. With that said, I have used the FTX on deer with tremendous success, but no recovered bullets to show for it.
I noticed how plank on the park bench is splitting lengthwise. Ive used up two big strong planks with these bullet tests.
 

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The table is taking a pounding! It is an old rickety picnic table though, so it is on its last legs. May bring some other planks to line the jugs up on though. Would make keeping them straight a little easier.

I just ordered some 300gr Speers and 170gr FN Deep Curls for the 30-30 and plan to run them into jugs as well. I really like seeing what the bullets are going to do up close. Most of the bullets and ranges I shoot with my rifles ensure I will get decent expansion further out, but I love to torture them for the up close tests. Scotty
 

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I would suspect that 500 grain bullet was not staying in a straight line after impact because of its small meplat, it was acting like a round nose bullet. I have also pulled a lot of those Hornady 325 LE bullets out of the 100 yard dirt berm behind the targets at my local range and all retained their jackets but varied greatly in the amount of lead lost. However the one I pulled out of the ankle bone of a cow elk was a copper jacket only, no lead to be found anywhere, believe it or not, fact remains.
 

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Oh, I believe you buddy. Was this out of a handload? Just wondering cause when they were cranked up to 2150FPS they really mushroomed back quite alot. I won't be using them, but in a pinch, I know I could pick up a box and hunt most stuff and not sweat too much. Scotty
 

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No, not a hand load, it was a factory load which seems to leave the guide gun somewhere around 1850 fps. And I can't tell you the bullets path through the cow because my buddy shot her 4 times. She had to be laying down when this bullet hit her because that bullet would have never stopped in the ankle bone if it first had not traveled through quite a bit of body mass first. The other 3 bullets were pass throughs and therefore not recovered. It will be interesting to hear about your test results with the Speer 300 grain bullet as it seems to be a much tougher bullet than the LE's bullet.
 
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