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Just got an 1894c after a long wait. What sort of accuracy can I expect at 50 and 100 yards for the .38 special and .357 magnum? Factory loads? Handloads?

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I'm not a great shot, but I get 3 shots clustered together on a standard 1.5" x1.5" post-it note at 75 yards from a rest with either 12.7-13 grains of 2400 and 158 grain JHP or Federal American Eagle 158 grain JSPs from my very, very used 1894C.
 

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I've not shot for accuracy for a long time.

But in my 1894C, a 158gr LRNFP over a charge of 6.8gr of Herco, will group one large ragged hole at 50 yards with a full magazine. From sandbags. Rested far back, just in front of the lever.

And positioning of the sandbags/rest/hand is important on ANY gun that has a forearm making contact with the barrel.

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Good enough for me to drop a deer this year at 75 yrds with the first shot. ;)
 
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Mine loves Federal American Eagle 158gr JSP. One on top of each other @ 50yds and about 2" @ 100yds. Took an 8 pointer and a doe this past season, both shots were where I was aiming. Good enough to kill accuracy!
 

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A lot of it depends on the sights. Keep in mind the internet has a lot of world class sharpshooters. I'm not directing that at anyone in particular. It's just something you should keep in mind.
 

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planeflyer21 said:
And positioning of the sandbags/rest/hand is important on ANY gun that has a forearm making contact with the barrel.

Jon
Could you elaborate? What is the best positioning? I haven't thought about it before but am guessing the sandbag should be resting against the forearm and not the mag tube?
 

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I have not found an ideal load yet. Mine is about 2.5 inches with Federal and 3" with winchester. I know when I use heavier loads it shoots better. I expect to get to 1" or less groups at 50 yards or I will sell the gun. I'll give me and the gun 2 or 3 years to get there. Time, consistancy and practice are everything.
 

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philthygeezer said:
So what's the average out of the box with .38 special factory loads?

I would not do that. 8) It leaves powder residue in the chamber then it is a pain to run some .357s through until you clean the chamber.

Reload, and stick with .357 components, I get 1 inch at 100 using Hornady 158 XTP HPs and 16 gns of Alliant 2400 out of a 24 inch CB.
 

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Jayhawkhuntclub said:
Again...sights? Scope? Peep? Factory? What's on the gun?
Bausch and Lomb 6-24x40 AO off the bench at 50 yards I.E. What are the rifles, optics taken out of the equation, generally capable of at 50 yards with factory .38 special ammo? 2 inch groups?

So far my web searches and this forum seem to indicate an average of 2-3 inches at 50 yards with factory .38 special ammo. This isn't far off from what I'm getting and I wanted to know if that was normal, but didn't want to influence anyone's replies with my findings.
 

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eaglesnest said:
Could you elaborate? What is the best positioning? I haven't thought about it before but am guessing the sandbag should be resting against the forearm and not the mag tube?
Correct. For me best accuracy was acheived with the rifle on the rest right in front of the receiver.

I've seen this same issue with lots of different rifles. On AR types it is very common for adverse pressure to throw off accuracy quite a bit. It is part of the reason for the current popularity of the "free floated" handguards.

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I know my 1894 isn't a .357, but should be somewhat similar in accuracy capabilities. I bought it last summer as a 44 magnum and then this year I swapped out barrels to make it a 45 Colt. I had about 7 months to play with loads when it was a 44 and then it preferred 8.7 Unique and this was my best group.



Here is one from yesterday with the 45 Colt barrel and 5.5 gr Trail Boss which seems to work the best with this barrel. I haven't had much time to play with loads yet for the 45 so am hoping I can improve . The sticky is 2" and both were using a 2.75x scout scope and a front sandbag sitting at a bench. This gun came blessed with a crisp 3.5 lb trigger which no doubt helps. I am not the best shot in the world, so in the hands of someone who can shoot, it could be fairly accurate for a gun with a lever.

 

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philthygeezer said:
Bausch and Lomb 6-24x40 AO off the bench at 50 yards I.E. What are the rifles, optics taken out of the equation, generally capable of at 50 yards with factory .38 special ammo? 2 inch groups?

So far my web searches and this forum seem to indicate an average of 2-3 inches at 50 yards with factory .38 special ammo. This isn't far off from what I'm getting and I wanted to know if that was normal, but didn't want to influence anyone's replies with my findings.
My 94's are more accurate with 357 ammo. With 38 Spec, yours is about what I see as well, 2 to 3" groups. If you must shoot 38's be sure to scrape the carbon ring out of the chamber before shooting 357's again. That carbon ring can cause unpredictable pressures with 357 ammo.

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50 yards, 2X7 scout scope, handloaded ammo, from a rest. This is about par for the course, though some days it will group into about HALF this size. I don't think the gun is inconsistent. That leaves me to blame. ::)

 

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You sure it's your fault PJ?

Those look like they may have been displaced by a raindrop...or two. ;D

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I think the shot on the right was deflected by a mosquito. I heard the impact about 30 yards out. Kind of an "Oof!" sound. ;)
 
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