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1894 COWBOY 24" BARREL RIFLING for .44

Anybody out there know what the twist is on a 24" .44 cal. barrel? Same twist as the shorter barrels?
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Yes, 1:38. This is one thing Remarlin could improve. !:20 would be better. Good day, Jack
 

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Marlin at North Haven made some 1 in 20 44 Mag barrels and when tested with factory ammo, couldn't discern any difference.
 

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44-40 Willy said:
Marlin at North Haven made some 1 in 20 44 Mag barrels and when tested with factory ammo, couldn't discern any difference.
I believe twist rate isn't a problem until you go much over 300gr, then the stabilizing issues crop up. I think that most factory ammo being less then that stabilizing isn't such an issue. I think it all depends on what you want from your 44 mag.
From Buffalo Bore web site about 44 mag twist rate:

"What do we mean above by "modified" Marlin? Marlin (for an unknown, not well thought out reason) is using a very slow rate of twist (1/38 inches) on their 1894 chambered in 44 mag. Because of this slow rate of twist, the heaviest bullet that the factory Marlin will stabilize is about 270grs. Other firearm makers that chamber for the 44 mag all use a much faster rate of twist so that their guns will stabilize and therefore accurately shoot bullets over 300grs. Many folks today want their 44 magnums to be able to utilize the heavy 300gr. and heavier bullets - Marlin has not figured this out. If you want decent accuracy out of our new +p+ load in a Marlin, it will need to be re-barreled with a twist rate of roughly 1/20 inch. I have Dave Clay re-barrel all my Marlin 1894's with a faster twist barrel. A 44 magnum that wont accurately shoot 300gr. or heavier bullets is useless to me. Call him at 817-783-6099 for pricing.
 
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Re: 1894 COWBOY 24" BARREL RIFLING for .44

eaglesnest,

Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. I notice on your rifle claims, that you have 1894 .44 crossed out. Is this slow twist the reason why?

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eaglesnest,

Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. I notice on your rifle claims, that you have 1894 .44 crossed out. Is this slow twist the reason why?

Greg
You are welcome.. No, nothing against the 44. My 1894 started life as a 44mag but one day completely by accident I loaded her up with 45 Colt ammo that I had for my Ruger. Anyway was I surprised for a few seconds before I realized what i had done, first why they wouldn't chamber and then to see how well the 45 colts did cycle right up to the chamber. I then found a 45 Colt barrel on Numrich and with the guidance from tomray, leverdude and others went ahead and had the barrel changed. The twist rate wasn't an issue before with the 44 because all i used that gun for was target practice anyway, but now with the 1:20 twist 45 Colt barrel I can shoot anything, up to 350gr so it opens up the role of my 1894 now to things like bear defense, but the best part is the 1894 can now share ammo with my Ruger..
 
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With such a SLOW rate of twist in the Rifling would there be any noticeable difference in 100 yard accuracy between the Marlin 1894 .44 Mag and the 1894 .44 Mag Cowboy "Limited" with the 24" inch barrel?

The reason I ask is I'm considering purchasing either a Marlin 1894 Cowboy or Cowboy Limted in .44 Mag or possibly a Marlin 336 XLR .30-30. That Marlinitis is kicking in again. It seem's to flare up every Spring/Fall...

Has anyone shot BOTH Lever Guns in 336 .30-30 Caliber and the 1894 Cowboy in .44 Mag? If so, I would appreciate a comparison of these two Rifles. Do both Gun's have similar Recoil? How about the "Crack" or Concussion when fired? I would be using these Rifles for Deer Hunting where shot's are within 125 yard's. Do both Rifles have about the same Recoil and "Crack" or Muzzle Blast? I'm not recoil sensitive at all but don't care for the concussion or Muzzle blast from high power Rifles.

I think the Marlin 1894 has a shorter LOP "Length of Pull" then the 336's but I'm not sure? I know my 1894 .357 Mag does. This is important to me since I don't like having to remove the Rifle off my shoulder during Hunting if I need a quick second shot.

Appreciate any information.
 

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With such a SLOW rate of twist in the Rifling would there be any noticeable difference in 100 yard accuracy between the Marlin 1894 .44 Mag and the 1894 .44 Mag Cowboy "Limited" with the 24" inch barrel?

The reason I ask is I'm considering purchasing either a Marlin 1894 Cowboy or Cowboy Limted in .44 Mag or possibly a Marlin 336 XLR .30-30. That Marlinitis is kicking in again. It alway's sem's to flares up every Spring/Fall...

Has anyone shot BOTH Lever Guns in 336 .30-30 Caliber and the 1894 Cowboy in .44 Mag? If so, I would appreciate a comparison of these two Rifles. Do both Gun's have similar Recoil? How about the "Crack" or Concussion when fired? I would be using these Rifles for Deer Hunting where shot's are within 125 yard's. Do both Rifles have about the same Recoil and "Crack" or Muzzle Blast?

I like the idea of the .44 Mag Rifle being a little lighter and it's devastating killing ability. Recoil has little effect on me but the loud "Crack" or Concussion of high power Rifles isn't something I care for as I get older. I know the .44 Mag Pistol Cartridge only produces about 36,000 of Barrel pressure PSI but that's only one variable when considering how loud a Rifle will be.

I think the Marlin 1894 has a shorter LOP "Length of Pull" then the 336's but I'm not sure? I know my 1894 .357 Mag does. This is important to me since I don't having to remove the Rifle off my shoulder during Hunting if I need a quick second shot.

Appreciate any information.
This is just my opinion, others may think differently but I think the 44 mag rifle should do just fine on deer. I have never shot a 30 30, but it seems to me, especially within 150 yds I would choose the 44 although I suppose either will work. The only place where the twist rate becomes important is the very long heavyweight bullets become unstable without the extra spin of a tighter twist and will tumble. I suppose there could be a slight increase in the rpm's of a bullet fired from the longer 24" cowboy barrel due to the velocity increase but wouldn't be much. I would stick to less than 300 gr is all, plenty to kill a deer with. And all the 1894's have a shorter lever throw than the 336 or 1895 which I find a little bit easier to cycle without pulling it away from your shoulder, but I don't think there is any difference in the length of pull. As for noise, it is all in how warm they are loaded.
 

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With such a SLOW rate of twist in the Rifling would there be any noticeable difference in 100 yard accuracy between the Marlin 1894 .44 Mag and the 1894 .44 Mag Cowboy "Limited" with the 24" inch barrel?

The reason I ask is I'm considering purchasing either a Marlin 1894 Cowboy or Cowboy Limted in .44 Mag or possibly a Marlin 336 XLR .30-30. That Marlinitis is kicking in again. It alway's sem's to flares up every Spring/Fall...

Has anyone shot BOTH Lever Guns in 336 .30-30 Caliber and the 1894 Cowboy in .44 Mag? If so, I would appreciate a comparison of these two Rifles. Do both Gun's have similar Recoil? How about the "Crack" or Concussion when fired? I would be using these Rifles for Deer Hunting where shot's are within 125 yard's. Do both Rifles have about the same Recoil and "Crack" or Muzzle Blast?

I like the idea of the .44 Mag Rifle being a little lighter and it's devastating killing ability. Recoil has little effect on me but the loud "Crack" or Concussion of high power Rifles isn't something I care for as I get older. I know the .44 Mag Pistol Cartridge only produces about 36,000 of Barrel pressure PSI but that's only one variable when considering how loud a Rifle will be.

I think the Marlin 1894 has a shorter LOP "Length of Pull" then the 336's but I'm not sure? I know my 1894 .357 Mag does. This is important to me since I don't like having to remove the Rifle off my shoulder during Hunting if I need a quick second shot.

Appreciate any information.
I've used the .44 for a number of years with a stock barrel, a 225-240 gr. expanding bullet will take any deer I've encountered. Can't use a .30-30 where I hunt, shotguns, pistols and straight-walled-pistol-caliber carbines is it, so can't compare for you. The 1894 with the 20" barrel is a light, handy gun, certainly a few pounds lighter than a slug gun. The full-octagon 24" is going to be heavier. With the powders used, you probably wouldn't pick up that much velocity over the 20" barrel. It IS going to handle differently and if you're in heavy brush, you may wish that that 4" of barrel would disappear. The Cowboy guns were made for competition and collector market, not that they can't be used otherwise.

Why should you have to remove your rifle for a followup shot? I practice levering from the shoulder every time I hit the range. A 39 is a good cheap way to learn that(not exactly cheap to buy, but cheap to run). If your action is broken in, you should be able to operate it with a couple of fingers and not have to use a lot of force. Practice, practice, practice, you don't have to use up ammo to do it.

If you're noise sensitive, wear plugs when you hunt. There are electronic plugs that will cut the blast out when you shoot. You should be wearing plugs and/or muffs when at the range. A good way to pick up a flinch otherwise, as well as a case of tinnitus.

Recoil is subjective, I don't find the .44's excessive, but then I was hunting with 12 ga. slug guns before. The nephew thought my .44 loads were really bad and he'd been shooting the same slug guns I used. If it really bugs you, get a recoil boot or a thick pad.

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Re: 1894 COWBOY 24" BARREL RIFLING for .44

Again, thanks for all the response. I am not reloading (yet), but good insight on the bullet weight issue and overall performance of rifle.
 

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One secondary thought about twist. Velocity compensates for lack of twist to an extent, so the 24" cowboy does have a slight advantage and it may be just enough. Like the other posters, I don't think it matters much with the popular 240-250 grain bullets. The hard cast ones will penetrate deer from stem to stern. Good day, Jack
 

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One secondary thought about twist. Velocity compensates for lack of twist to an extent, so the 24" cowboy does have a slight advantage and it may be just enough. Like the other posters, I don't think it matters much with the popular 240-250 grain bullets. The hard cast ones will penetrate deer from stem to stern. Good day, Jack

I'm liking what I'm hearing here, thanks!!
 

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Intersting info regarding the Marlin 1894 .44 Magnums.

I guess the concensus is you stick with a bullet under 300 Grains for decent accuracy.

I see Hornady makes 225 Grain FTX "LEVERevolution" Ammo now for the .44 Mag. Has anyone used this Ammo? If so, what kind of accraucy at 100 yard's?


Stans4,

I have to remove a Marlin 336 off my shoulder for a follow-up shot when hunting because apparently my Arm isn't long enough to fully cycle the Lever. I don't have this problem on the Marlin 1894CS. There's seems's to be several inches difference in Lever travel between the Marlin 336XLR & 1894 Rifles.

That's good advice on Hearing protection. I have alway's worn muff's at the Range even double up sometimes with plugs underneath. I think the small, Electronic Ear canal Protection/Enhancement devices would be nice to wear while Hunting. I'm hoping to see something of decent quality available on the market soon that's a happy medium between the high end "Walker" Model's and the cheap $25.00 ones. If anyone has tried a PAIR of protection devices you wear in the Ear Canal that cost between $75.00-$250 dollar's and was satisfied with their performance please let me know. I would sincerely appreciate it.

By the way, I found out Ruger makes a .44 Magnum Rifle which look's much different then Marlin's 1894... It has a 1:20" Rifling twist which would supposably provide better stability for much heavier weight Bullet's.
 

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Intersting info regarding the Marlin 1894 .44 Magnums.

I guess the concensus is you stick with a bullet under 300 Grains for decent accuracy.

I see Hornady makes 225 Grain FTX "LEVERevolution" Ammo now for the .44 Mag. Has anyone used this Ammo? If so, what kind of accraucy at 100 yard's?


Stans4,

I have to remove a Marlin 336 off my shoulder for a follow-up shot when hunting because apparently my Arm isn't long enough to fully cycle the Lever. I don't have this problem on the Marlin 1894CS. There's seems's to be several inches difference in Lever travel between the Marlin 336XLR & 1894 Rifles.

That's good advice on Hearing protection. I have alway's worn muff's at the Range even double up sometimes with plugs underneath. I think the small, Electronic Ear canal Protection/Enhancement devices would be nice to wear while Hunting. I'm hoping to see something of decent quality available on the market soon that's a happy medium between the high end "Walker" Model's and the cheap $25.00 ones. If anyone has tried a PAIR of protection devices you wear in the Ear Canal that cost between $75.00-$250 dollar's and was satisfied with their performance please let me know. I would sincerely appreciate it.

By the way, I found out Ruger makes a .44 Magnum Rifle which look's much different then Marlin's 1894... It has a 1:20" Rifling twist which would supposably provide better stability for much heavier weight Bullet's.
There is one thing I find with the .44 mag cartridges over 300 gr is they are too long to feed from the magazine tube of my Marlin 1894 so the 1 in 38 twist rate isn't that big of a deal. There is a way to get them to feed but that would mean giving up shooting .44 specials out of it. personally I wouldn't want to give up the option of shooting .44 specials out of mine.
 

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With such a SLOW rate of twist in the Rifling would there be any noticeable difference in 100 yard accuracy between the Marlin 1894 .44 Mag and the 1894 .44 Mag Cowboy "Limited" with the 24" inch barrel?

The reason I ask is I'm considering purchasing either a Marlin 1894 Cowboy or Cowboy Limted in .44 Mag or possibly a Marlin 336 XLR .30-30. That Marlinitis is kicking in again. It seem's to flare up every Spring/Fall...

Has anyone shot BOTH Lever Guns in 336 .30-30 Caliber and the 1894 Cowboy in .44 Mag? If so, I would appreciate a comparison of these two Rifles. Do both Gun's have similar Recoil? How about the "Crack" or Concussion when fired? I would be using these Rifles for Deer Hunting where shot's are within 125 yard's. Do both Rifles have about the same Recoil and "Crack" or Muzzle Blast? I'm not recoil sensitive at all but don't care for the concussion or Muzzle blast from high power Rifles.

I think the Marlin 1894 has a shorter LOP "Length of Pull" then the 336's but I'm not sure? I know my 1894 .357 Mag does. This is important to me since I don't like having to remove the Rifle off my shoulder during Hunting if I need a quick second shot.

Appreciate any information.
Where I hunt, it's pistol-caliber carbines or slug shotguns for deer. The .44 1894 carbine is a lot handier package than the slug guns we used to tote, does in deer just as well. The octagonal barrels on the Cowboy models look good, but are extra weight when you start hauling them around in the woods. The 24" barrel would get you a little more velocity, less handy to haul, though. Unless you use irons, practical accuracy difference between the two barrel lengths will be down to how well each one was manufactured, not length.

None of the pistol calibers have much recoil by my standards, it's subjective. Compared to the 12 ga. slugs we used to shoot, the recoil is nil. I can remember putting in an extensive practice session with my slug gun and having a massive bruise on my shoulder afterwards, that was through 4 layers of clothing. Nothing like that with the .44. Has more thump than a .22, much less than a .308.

If you practice, you can lever the 1894 from the shoulder, a lot of guys naturally take it down to do that and have to reacquire the sights. Needs practice to do. Something about that chunk of steel moving back at you makes you take the gun down. Just don't crawl the stock. One reason I have a 39A is practice.

With 240 gr. ammo, the guns work just fine on deer, truly, you don't need any heavier bullets for deer. 240 gr. was the standard bullet weight when the guns were first designed, they shoot it just fine.

The report is also subjective, the smaller bores have a higher-pitched bark that can make unprotected ears ring. Anymore, I use muffs AND plugs for range work, too much singing in the ears as it is. In wide open hunting territory, you won't notice a thing if you're concentrating on your target.

I believe the stock length is about the same on all the models, added pads vs. plain buttplate may make a slight difference between models. There's also a short stocked youth model 336, for smaller than average folks. So far Remlington hasn't put an M4 stock on the levers like some other manufacturers.

If you could use a .30-30 where you hunt, that'd give you a longer effective range, particularly with the Leverevolution ammo. It's too built up in the areas I hunt, need a smaller danger area than regular centerfire rifle rounds have.

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I haven't heard of any problems with 300 grain .44s in a 1:38 barrel. If you have a microgroove barrel, you need cast bullets sized to 0.432". You should have no problem with jacketed bullets, and none whatsoever with Ballard cut rifling at 0.431".

I lucked out getting a Marlin Cowboy Limited in .45 Colt, with a JM stamp no less. The twist is 1:16, and .45 Colt can be loaded to 350 grains and .44 magnum performance, as long as there's no danger of it finding its way into a SAA. It would not be a bad choice for white tails, but neither is .44 Magnum.
 

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I have both the 336 30-30 and 1894 44 Mag with 20 inch barrels. While I'm not very recoil sensitive, the 336 30-30 combo seems to have slightly more recoil than the 44 mag to me. The recoil is a little different between the two with the 30-30 being a little sharper and faster and the 44 being less abrupt and more of a push. The 336 is heavier and not quite as nimble and quick as the 1894. Muzzle blast also seems louder and sharper from the 30-30, but I'm already about half deaf anyway.

The 1894 has the added option of using 44 Specials and that is a big plus if you want to practice with less recoil and noise. The Specials make shooting the 1894 like shooting a large bore .22 with very little recoil and almost no muzzle blast. They are quiet to boot and are just plain fun!

I have killed deer with both the 30-30 and the 44 Mag and have had good clean kills with both and also instances where neither caliber's bullet exited the deer. The deer certainly couldn't tell the difference and even the ones the bullet stayed in were quick kills. Bullet performance with the 240 grain soft point I use was as near perfect as I could ask for. You can see a pic of the one I dug out of my last buck at (http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/1894/126478-1894-basket-case-scores.html).

So unless you need a little extra range, I would lean towards the 44 Mag with the 20" barrel. It is just a joy to tote in the woods.

My 2 cents,
 
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