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officially the 30-30 is designed for bullets up to 170 grain. Has any one tried 180 gr Hornady Round Nose in a 30-30?
And is the bullet stable above 200 yrds.
 

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444 said:
officially the 30-30 is designed for bullets up to 170 grain. Has any one tried 180 gr Hornady Round Nose in a 30-30?
And is the bullet stable above 200 yrds.
If I'm correct Buffalo Bore makes a 190gr for a 30-30...
 

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I have never used the Hornady 180, but I do shoot a Lee cast 180 gas check round nose bullet in my 30-30. I never really use it except to punch paper at 100 yards. I have no clue what it is doing at 200 yards, but my guess is it would be just fine.

The older Lyman manuals have data hidden way in the back for obsolete cartridges. There you will find loading data for 190 grain bullets in the 303 Savage, which is just about the same thing as a 30-30win.

Good Luck

Edit add...Lyman 45th has 190 grain data for 30-30, but I don't know anyone making that heavy a bullet suitable for 30-30's today. Prolly should stick with a 170gr.
 

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The Hornady 180 gr. round nose has the cannulre / crimp groove in the wrong place, for starters. I am pretty sure that the jacket is too thick for reliable expansion at .30-30 impact velocities. As far as stability beyond 200 yards goes, I can't see any reason why it would be less stable at that range than some of the gas checked cast bullets I've shot out of my 336 -bullets that weighed more than 180 grains.

That said, I can't see any reason for using Hornady's 180 grain .308 RN's when there are plenty of excellent component bullets available that have been designed expressly for use in the .30-30.

I've never done it personally, but I have witnessed several California mule deer keel over and die when hit in the lungs with 170 grain W-W Silvertips or Remington Core-Lokts at distances up to 275 long-stride paces, with the bullets giving complete, through and through penetration, even on slight quartering shots. So, having had that experience, I can't see what might be gained with 10 extra grains of lead in a thicker guilding metal jacket as represented by the Hornady .308 RN bullet.


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The 1 in 10 twist of Marlin 30-30 barrels will stabilize bullets to 220gr. If you are going to use bullets constructed for 30-06/308 and such it may be wise to take the trouble to check for proper expansion before venturing afield. If you can reliably take shoulder shots you might be able to skip the exercise. Ben
 

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The reason a lot of guns fail is the use of the wrong bullet. This would be one of those cases.
 

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It being a bullet designed for more intense rounds than .30-30, I would be leery about loading it in .30-30 in any role other than range fun. There's no shortage of bullets that are specifically designed for use with .30-30. And they work well. "Generic" bullets in .308 diameter, round nosed or not, are intended for hotter chamberings such as .308 Win., .30-06 or .300 Win Mag. Meaning, they probably won't work well in .30-30.

Just stick with bullets that are designed with .30-30 in mind. At least for hunting purposes, anyway.
 

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Actually what i am looking for is a heavy bullet with deep penetration, even on a 400 lbs hog.
 

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Actually what i am looking for is a heavy bullet with deep penetration, even on a 400 lbs hog.
You're likely to get exactly what you're looking for with standard .30-30 cup and core bullets designed for use with the round. If they'll kill a 700 pound elk clean at 150 yards, leaving an exit wound in the process, I would suspect that they'd do fine on a 400lb hog, too. I've not had the personal experience of shooting a hog quite that large, but I've shot more than a few over 275 pounds with a .30-30 at distances from a couple of dozen yards to a couple of hundred. I don't recall penetration ever being a problem.

There is something to be said for piece of mind, however, and if I were looking for more of that, I'd look in to using Hornady's GMX monolithic Flex Tip or the Nosler Partition designed for the .30-30.


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That said, I can't see any reason for using Hornady's 180 grain .308 RN's when there are plenty of excellent component bullets available that have been designed expressly for use in the .30-30.
T-C
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The reason a lot of guns fail is the use of the wrong bullet. This would be one of those cases.
I certainly agree with T-C and Halwg The only thing I can suggest is look around and find a 180gr. bullet that's made for a 30 30 win cartridge. If there is.

T :) NY
 

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This might be a silly question, but....since your name is 444, why not just shoot 'em with a 444? ;D
 

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This might be a silly question, but....since your name is 444, why not just shoot 'em with a 444? ;D
Not silly at all.
I owned a 444, more then 10 years ago. I am probably buying one in the near feature.
 

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This might be a silly question, but....since your name is 444, why not just shoot 'em with a 444? ;D
That's funny. I just logged on here to ask the same thing. You know you can't use that screen name unless you actually own the gun! ;D
 
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The info. isn't mine if you use it you are on your own risk.

Maybe this website will help.

http://www.reloadammo.com/3030load.htm
Loads for .30/30 Rifle:

(Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
(See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
Bullet is .308" diameter. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up.

180 grain JRN (Speer Jacketed Round Nose))
IMR 4895 30.5 gr. 1,900 FPS
IMR 3031 31.0 gr. 1,925
( 180 gr. Not normally used in 30/30, but you can.


T ;D NY
 

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That's funny. I just logged on here to ask the same thing. You know you can't use that screen name unless you actually own the gun! ;D
I had a little bad conscience when i picket it. Even worse, i have been considering to buy a 45-70 instead of a 444.

At least i am honest :)
 

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The info. isn't mine if you use it you are on your own risk.

Maybe this website will help.

http://www.reloadammo.com/3030load.htm
Loads for .30/30 Rifle:

(Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
(See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
Bullet is .308" diameter. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up.

180 grain JRN (Speer Jacketed Round Nose))
IMR 4895 30.5 gr. 1,900 FPS
IMR 3031 31.0 gr. 1,925
( 180 gr. Not normally used in 30/30, but you can.


T ;D NY
Thanks, for the link.
 

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The jacket on the bullet is too thick for 30-30 use. It won't expand properly and probably cause a cripple. You are not giving up much KE when using the 170. That is what I would go with as they are designed for proper expansion at thutty velocities.
 

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I loaded the Hawk 190fn with the .030" jacket in my standard 30-30. I didn't take any game with it; I later had the rifle rechambered to 30-30 Ackley Improved and I just shoot them out of it now, only lost about 50fps, doubt I'll ever buy any more.Reading about the one Buffalo Bore uses, it has a .035", but the Speer 170fn penetrates deeper. I had to look around, but the Speer 170 Hot Cor's are still around ( Speer is switching to the Deep Curl now,) and I load them pretty warm in the 30-30 AI. I like penetration also, but I have opportunities for cow elk,etc. But that is even not needed, the Cor Lokt/Power Point/SilverTips or heavy casts,all will do in any big hog.
PM me, I have some Beartooth 170's hard cast I'll make you a deal on.
 

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Actually what i am looking for is a heavy bullet with deep penetration, even on a 400 lbs hog.
444, If you want a heavier bullet you might consider trading your 30-30 for a 35 Rem. Then you could toss those 200 grainers at that ole pig. :ahhhhh: :biggrin:

CJ
 

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A friend of mine who leases some land where I killed a 400+ hog asked me what bullet I'd recommend for a 30-30 after we both were impressed with how thick & tough the shield on that hog was. I told him that I'd use the BB heavy 30-30 load if I was gonna poke a big boar like that. Someone earlier also mentioned that same 190gr load, developed, I think, as a heavy load for bear. Best of luck in poking a big boar and I hope you end up with both another .444 & 45-70, eventually!! :biggrin:

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=222
 
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