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That is an intense read and goes to show you not to underestimate the food chain. I would have thought a 10mm would be plenty, makes you reconsider for sure. His first mistake though was completely underestimating the bear and trying to take the picture. Testosterone and hubris got the best of him. It's good he got to live to tell the story.
 

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I remember unknowingly spooking a huge black bear out of his bed at about 25ft. He stood up looked at me then wandered off. I had a .357 revolver with 125grn hollow pts. I felt totally under gunned. From then on when I was working in bear country I had one snake load backed up with 5 180grn loads.
 

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Fact is.....bears don't normally just fall dead to pistol rounds.

A less than perfect shot can obviously seem totally ineffective.Most folks carrying a handgun for bear protection opt for bigger is better.
Also a bear that is adrenaline charged is another game all together.Then take into consideration the shear size difference from critter to critter.

I will assume each situation can be different with different circumstances.
The positive attributes of the glock 10mm to me is that there is definitely the opportunity to reel off 15 controllable shots.
I know because I own one.

Granted.....I have never shot at a charging bear with it.
I also make no excuses to state that the 10mm glock has not near the stopping power of my 44 mag Smith.
 

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well I read the story and I can tell you for a fact the ammo he was using was piss poor bullet selection for use on a bear
there meant for people, fast expanding exploding bullets
for bears you need something that stats together and penetrates
he got lucky!
a 10 mm is more than enough gun for a bear when you place the bullet where it matters and use the right bullets for the task being asked of it

ALSO< keep in mind, MOST all GOOD 10 mm bear loads, are NOT good for use in MANY 10 mm guns, its one of the flaws in the caliber
I have carried a 10 mm in countless bear encounters from Alaska to PA, and never felt it was a BAD side arm when loaded properly and using correct ammo, in a gun that can handle the right loads!

a good 10 mm load is everything a decent 41 rem mag will be!
and running from a bear is NEVER a good idea!

old saying also to me comes true, you play with the bull some times you get the horn

run dogs on bears, and sooner or later your asking for a bear to run back at YOU!
I ain't bashing bear/dog hunters
but IMO< its asking for troubles sooner or later!
 

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well I read the story and I can tell you for a fact the ammo he was using was piss poor bullet selection for use on a bear
there meant for people, fast expanding exploding bullets
for bears you need something that stats together and penetrates
he got lucky!
It bears repeating (see what I did there ;) ) that a ranger on her mentioned that hollowpoints were more effective in causing the bear to break off a charge.
His theory was that they can feel the sting near the surface but a heavy bullet that penetrates doesn't even register.
That said I would load mine "every other" and cover bases.
 

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It bears repeating (see what I did there ;) ) that a ranger on her mentioned that hollow points were more effective in causing the bear to break off a charge.
His theory was that they can feel the sting near the surface but a heavy bullet that penetrates doesn't even register.
That said I would load mine "every other" and cover bases.
I would love to know how many bears that ranger shot with that idea!
what KILLS a bear is hitting vitals
a bullet that SLAPS him and eats hair and never makes it to a vital
will just PISS a bear off more, that slap ain't going to help the person sending them ZAPs at it

I have a LOT of first hand bear experience

a bear hyped up full of adrenaline isn't going to care about being slapped by bullets
I have seen enough of them SHOT, I have seen enough of them in FIGHTS over mates or food, and seen chunk of meat come off, torn holes in each other and never slowed down there anger any, if anything , added fuel to there fights
AS energy runs out they slow down, but its sure not due to being slapped! LOL

advice like this IMO is why so many folks that carry and use a hand gun in a bear encounter don't fair very well! LOL

Pepper spray MIGHT work better than hollow points, and even GOOD solid bullets
as most folks under stress , DON"T shoot half as well as they think they will and don't hit vitals, which is ALL that will stop a bear that is hot and bothered to get you!
Pepper spray works more like a shot gun, as a bears NOSE is its number one tool in finding food, its hyper sensitive to scents, so a blast of high power pepper, might make it BRAIN< confused enough to get it to change direction or plans
and that is also why it works better than most folks with guns
as again, the spray is WIDE and getting some in its eyes/and up its nose is a higher odds deal!

Draw back to pepper spray is very few folks actually carry it where FAST access is there and most NEVER use it till they NEED to
never practice with it!

something else you all can call food for thought LOL
is 90% of ALL bear charges are BLUFF"S and will stop a few feet short of you!
but very few folks have the balls to stand there ground, and I DON"T blame them as that 10% of the time could be THIS TIME< and at few feet reaction times are hard to beat bears!

I am NEAR bears almost daily too folks, never HAD what I call a bad encounter in 40 plus yrs
and I have crawled into a a LOT of been dens with females with cubs in them too!(never do this folks )

so, I'll carry a GOOD solid bullet bear load over any Hollow point on the market!
I'll let ranger?? carry his hollow points and HOPE he never needs to use them!
 

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and just so you know, NOT all bears are big bad animals out to EAT you
most want NOTHING to do with you, bear attacks are RARE
and MOST live thru them
as a FACT< in PA/s history, 100+ yrs of it, only 1 person has ever been killed by a bear here!

here is a wild one and me> getting along just fine! LOL
and don't try this either folks!
 

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and just so you know, NOT all bears are big bad animals out to EAT you
most want NOTHING to do with you, bear attacks are RARE
and MOST live thru them
as a FACT< in PA/s history, 100+ yrs of it, only 1 person has ever been killed by a bear here!

here is a wild one and me> getting along just fine! LOL
and don't try this either folks!
Reminds me of Timothy Treadwell.
 

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I'd think it true that when you have dogs aggravating a bear, sooner or later it is going to get aggravated with you. This guy had experience and I for one am impressed with his survival instincts. He held onto his weapon and it eventually saved his life. Just to make it out alive from this, the guy had to be pretty tough. Good story and one to learn from. Packing iron pays, especially with the right bullets.
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I have many Black Bear experiences not from hunting them but from living amongst them on my Eastern NC farm. I am always bear aware when wandering around the farm and yes only carry a 45 or a 44 on my hip. I am not sure if it will kill them or not and hope I never have to find out but makes me feel less vulnerable. For the most part wild bears can smell you before you can ever see them and will avoid human contact at all costs. Since the local yahoos hunt them with dogs they tend to not like dogs and most likely will cause them to be aggressive.

In all of my encounters from 20 yds to 100 yds with some BIG bears I have never had an unpleasant experience but always expect one. I have never had to back down or draw on a bear, we always tend to look one another over and go on our merry way. I am sure one day this will not be the case and I do not go looking for them or try and get selfies with them. I also know that certain bears DO NOT like their pictures taken as to proof of them destroying about 8 of my game cameras in the last year.

I have also seen bears hyped up on adrenaline after being shot and go a 100 yds or more without a heart, so they have a strong will to live. So as the same with people bears can have different personalities and bad hair day but in my experience avoid humans. I always consider it a woodsman skill to get a close encounter with a bear as they have a great sense of smell.
 

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I did stop a charging black bear once, up close, a Rem 760 30-06, it was fast and no contest. After going thru many woods carry handguns, which have never been used for the intended purpose of bear defense, found my self settled in on a Glock 29 10 mm, mostly because it is light and compact. No great illusions of great stop power, probably adequate, keep it loaded with hot loaded 180 gr hardball mixed with stout hollow points. The article points out, we should never comfortable and feel we can can control a dangerous situation.
 

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I would love to know how many bears that ranger shot with that idea!
what KILLS a bear is hitting vitals
Hitting them in the vitals is pretty much a prerequisite for killing anything ;)
This ranger was considered an expert since he worked in bear country - I think Washington state.
Since he detailed many encounters and is still alive to discuss them I'd have to say he's likely good at what he does.
It's not always the case you want to kill the dang bear then have to explain to some rangers why you had to. Some pretty stiff fines if they decide you didn't have to.

I would add that hitting a bear in teh vitals is no guarantee he won't keep coming - many documented cases of that.
 

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So as the same with people bears can have different personalities and bad hair day but in my experience avoid humans. I always consider it a woodsman skill to get a close encounter with a bear as they have a great sense of smell.
When I lived in Chattanooga we backpacked all over the Occoee park. One year they had a she-bear that attacked kids and their mom when they went to the waterfall.
Given the terrain I always wondered about that dang bear - the slope to get down to the falls was steep! I believe a vacationing family was attacked at Chilhowee as well.
Here's the story.
 

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It’s not a “bad” choice, far better than a rock or club....but, certainly “not” my 1st. choice for a bear encounter! If you are hunting bear, and the shot is at your discretion.....the 10 mm will (with proper bullet selection) will perform adequately! memtb
 
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