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    Quote Originally Posted by 45BearGun View Post
    rifles of equal power calibers, there will not be a lot of difference in rate of fire, with assault rifle having a slight edge. (proved at our club in competition). The real edge comes with mag changes which is an advantage of assault rifles and should not be dis-allowed just to try and make the comparison more equal

    I do however, firmly believe that rate-of-fire is no substitute for marksmanship.

    Having military experience but no combat experience I will defer to those that do.
    Remember--Assault rifle implies full auto. Semi auto is not assault rifle. The USMC always promoted marksmanship over volume of fire. That was the concept with the M1 Garand and the M14---you had the power and range of 30-06 and 308 so it was easy to reach out to 800 yrds. In Vietnam era because of Guerrilla war tactics and jungle they promoted Zones of fire where heavy volume was just sent downrange into a zone ----that is why they switched to the M16 and the smaller 5.56 so you could carry lots of ammo. You can hump 400 rds easy with 5.56. Try humping 400 rds of 30-06 or 308 ?
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    Levers are hard to work in prone too.
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    BAR came out in 1917 and Thompson 45 came out in 1915. BAR was 20rds 3006 and Thompson 45acp had 30rds with a 50rd and 100rd drum.
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    Wow, this threads been going a while. I doubt anyone who has been in a combat/ contact would trade a magazine fed self loader for a lever. Its not even close. Can a lever do some that a semi auto can do? Sure. Can a self loader magazine fed do everything a lever can and more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tranteruk View Post
    Wow, this threads been going a while. I doubt anyone who has been in a combat/ contact would trade a magazine fed self loader for a lever. Its not even close. Can a lever do some that a semi auto can do? Sure. Can a self loader magazine fed do everything a lever can and more...
    There is a whole lot that goes on in winning a gunfight. Situational awareness, realizing you're in a fight, actually getting into the fight, etc. The gun is down on the list. A quality, proven reliable, levergun is capable of handling most situations if the person holding it is up to the task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatt View Post
    There is a whole lot that goes on in winning a gunfight. Situational awareness, realizing you're in a fight, actually getting into the fight, etc. The gun is down on the list. A quality, proven reliable, levergun is capable of handling most situations if the person holding it is up to the task.
    I am sorry but I have real reservations about publically putting forth the lever gun as a "tactical" weapon. WE are under real attack from the left on all guns - Especially "Tactical" weapons and "Black Guns". To my thinking showing the lever rifle as a tactical rifle or tactical rifle replacement puts a huge number of rifles, which are currently in the hands of hunters and sportsmen, in an different/unfavorable mental grouping/picture to the non owner/firearm enthusiast. I have no doubt you can use any flintlock firearm in a "tactical" situation and you can use your self loading high cap rifle to hunt groundhogs but, in my mind use the tool most appropriate for the job.

    I shoot lever guns competitively in several different classes and own a number of others that I shoot regularly..... However - if someone starts kicking down my door I will not pick up my 336 and an extra handful of shells - I will take up my AR and stick an extra 30 round mag in my pocket and see what needs to be taken care of.

    A pair of channel locks and a spark plug wrench will do the same job but....

    My true and real apologies to any who specialize in the manufacture or modifications of lever rifles as a "tactical" weapon but I don't want and hate to see a lever action rifle made and/or promoted to put it in the same "category" as a high cap self loader.

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    I like it. I love it. Can't get enough of it.

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    Assault rifle is a military weapon and not the same as a modern sporting rifle. If gun community folks can’t get it right we can never expect to diffuse the media and gun grabbers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Merlin View Post
    I am sorry but I have real reservations about publically putting forth the lever gun as a "tactical" weapon. WE are under real attack from the left on all guns - Especially "Tactical" weapons and "Black Guns". To my thinking showing the lever rifle as a tactical rifle or tactical rifle replacement puts a huge number of rifles, which are currently in the hands of hunters and sportsmen, in an different/unfavorable mental grouping/picture to the non owner/firearm enthusiast. I have no doubt you can use any flintlock firearm in a "tactical" situation and you can use your self loading high cap rifle to hunt groundhogs but, in my mind use the tool most appropriate for the job.

    I shoot lever guns competitively in several different classes and own a number of others that I shoot regularly..... However - if someone starts kicking down my door I will not pick up my 336 and an extra handful of shells - I will take up my AR and stick an extra 30 round mag in my pocket and see what needs to be taken care of.

    A pair of channel locks and a spark plug wrench will do the same job but....

    My true and real apologies to any who specialize in the manufacture or modifications of lever rifles as a "tactical" weapon but I don't want and hate to see a lever action rifle made and/or promoted to put it in the same "category" as a high cap self loader.

    TSRA Life Member and NRA Patron Life Member
    The gun grabbers already want your lever, bolt, single shot, and revolver. Putting your head in the sand isn't going to save anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuntingtonGuy View Post
    Assault rifle is a military weapon and not the same as a modern sporting rifle. If gun community folks can’t get it right we can never expect to diffuse the media and gun grabbers.


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    I don't have any sporting rifles. I don't believe in them. All my guns are 2A focused. Even my old Ithaca .22 single shot.
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