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    Tactical Loading......

    Long ago, far far away I shared some time on a job with a real pro, who carried a Colt .380 auto! I asked if I might take a look, and learnt a lesson I took with me threafter. The rounds in the magazine were mixed, HP and Ball (FMJ). I asked why and he explained he would never know until the SHTF what would be best, by mixing he give his shots the best possible chance of being effective. I went on to do the same in my semi autos and even 12g pumps (Shot n slug).

    So, I see no reason why a lever cant do the same, where being used legally for defence of course. If it were me I would vary in twos, Lead or HP with FMJ. If you think about it, especially in self defence of the home, you dont know whats needed beforehand, penetration or stopping power.

    Of course there may be other considerations, if your property is made with thin walls, perhaps thin internal walls, kids in the house. When penetration would be dangerous. How you load is up to you but varying does give your lever a wider range of effectiveness.

    Just passing on what I think is a good tip..
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    Thin internal walls are the norm here where I live. The best home defense is a 12ga 18in barreled pump shotgun with a straight cylinder choke and 8 round capacity. I have my own special low recoil loads with 1 1/8 ounce of #6 shot. I don't advise low powered loads in a semi-auto pistol due to the possibility of a jam. Same for hollow point ammo. This rules out me using my 45ACP for home defense as I use military ball in mine. Also rules out hollow points in a revolver due to penetration and limitation of 6 rounds.
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    Ball ammo is a poor stopping round. It just is. If you want penetration with stopping power go to flat points in either jackets or cast. As far as rifle rounds you get the penetration anyways so I wouldn't go with FLU. Pencil hole in, pencil hole out.

    As far as thin walls go, you probably will miss your target more than hit it in a high stress situation. Even frangible bullets go through walls when target is missed. Same goes for birdshot.
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    I would say that's not a good idea it's a practice from a time when there wasn't proven SD ammo...most modern fmj is bottom of the barrel ammo a good modern bonded hp will have more than enough penetration
    If you don't need or want the penetration that you hope the fmj is gonna give you and that's the round that's up...then what
    I would question whether the guy was a "real pro" when he made a choice to carry a 380

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    As a cop in the 70's and early 80's the,4th, 5th, and 6th rounds in many of our revolvers were solid hard copper 'car stoppers'. The were sharply pointed, .357 mags, AP rounds. They'd plow right through a 2nd Chance vest should the bad guy be wearing one.

    9mm and a 12ga. are for 'social' use in the home.

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    12Ga Ithaca Stakeout and Glock 9mm gets the call around the house. There are a few 38's stashed around the house too.

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    Paul Harrel has his famous meat target of ribs, oranges a beef heart, ribs again all wrapped in leather to simulate a deer/person etc. With the 45 ACP, a standard RN 240 gr FMJ did reasonable damage with more penetration than most HP rounds, contrary to common belief the FMJ will flatten out to a degree. His tests are a different world from soft gelatin, where the HPs excell. Worth watching. Myself always mix my handgun loads FMJ/HP. When I did carry a 380 as a backup, always loaded fully with FMJ to help insure penetration, especially for a side shot involving an arm or shoulder. Do the same mix load in the ARs and 30 carbine.

    To my mind the right answer is what you are comfortable with.
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    In .380 ACP always JHP up the spout and first shot on top of magazine. Rest FMJ because anybody not hit on first double tap is going to be hiding behind something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan alder View Post
    Ball ammo is a poor stopping round. It just is. If you want penetration with stopping power go to flat points in either jackets or cast. As far as rifle rounds you get the penetration anyways so I wouldn't go with FLU. Pencil hole in, pencil hole out.

    As far as thin walls go, you probably will miss your target more than hit it in a high stress situation. Even frangible bullets go through walls when target is missed. Same goes for birdshot.
    Tell that to the nazi's offed with our 45 and hardball ammo in WWII........The 45acp earned it's reputation with hardball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Happy Kaboomer View Post
    Tell that to the nazi's offed with our 45 and hardball ammo in WWII........The 45acp earned it's reputation with hardball.
    How can I tell a dead nazi that? But I would. No doubt it will kill. But immediate stopping ability is little. If I'm wrong maybe the FBI and our LEO's should go back to ball ammo. My bet is they won't. Ever
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