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    The 50-70 is a vastly unappreciated cartridge. I believe that the "big fifty" refers to the 50-90 Sharps cartridge.

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    My slug comes out as .505, seems tight for a .515 bullet

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    With that rifle make sure you use only black powder. It is no where as strong as the Sharps, more in the Trap Door range. I shoot the 50 2 1/2 Sharps. The 50-90 was a Winchester round not a Sharps round. Jim

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    Had one. At 45 degrees of barrel elevation bullet would travel about 500 yards. Not a long-range rifle! Power level similar to .410 slug.
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    If I recall Custer's troops had the 45-70 carbines, the Indians had some 50-70 rifles.
    They found one spot where the Indians over ran some troops and used 45-70 cartridges in their rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlin View Post
    The 50-70 is a vastly unappreciated cartridge. I believe that the "big fifty" refers to the 50-90 Sharps cartridge.
    That has been debated but there are many that feel the 50-70 was the "big 50" partly due to the time line vs the actual buffalo hunts. Also it was an issue of popularity as it was a military cartridge. Cartridges like the 50-140 and 45-120 came along too late. Probably the term "big 50" referred to a 50 cal rifle in general. There were a few modified 58 cal rifles where they did something similar to the trap door but kept the barrels or the muzzle loaders. I have seen some Canadian Schnieders in 58. Once the BP cartridges got going however, the smaller bores got more popular.

    The military went tot he 45-70 due to its longer range capabilities using a bullet of similar weight. A popular buffalo cartridge was the 40-90. They could use up to a 400 grain bullet in the 40 and it did retain velocity better. Buffalo hunter used a lot of different rifles. Wyatt Earp was said to go out with a 12 ga double barrel and shoot a few buffalo to get a few bucks now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyoldman View Post
    My slug comes out as .505, seems tight for a .515 bullet
    Those old Springfields tended to have a bit of variance in the bores. Lee makes a 45 hollow base mold that may Springfield shooters appreciated as it permitted better accuracy in some larger bores. Lots of people recommend slugging but the acid tests come from shooting. Slugging gets even trickier when you have an odd number on lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_In View Post
    If I recall Custer's troops had the 45-70 carbines, the Indians had some 50-70 rifles.
    They found one spot where the Indians over ran some troops and used 45-70 cartridges in their rifles.
    It was a painting. Custer had a 50-70 Springfield he had custom made. The Lakota had a hodpodge of rifles. Many used muzzle loading trade rifles. It was stated once that they liked muzzle loaders due to the versatility of loading and the ability to vary powder charges. Also the trade rifles were a standard item. Cartridges rifles did not become universal over night. The battle took place in 1876 which is 3 years after the 45-70 was developed. How rapidly they replaces the rifles I don't know. But the 45-70 was in place at that time so they easily could have had them.

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