SKBs 585 is a great gun. I had a two barrel trap set that I shot for a while then gave to my brother. He has since given it to a son in law. The guns are well built, sturdy, and good shooters. There is a reason Ithaca used them to make their guns for years. That said, I am speaking of the Japan made SKB guns. I understand some are now being made in Turkey and I cannot speak to those.