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    180 grain bulllets in 358 Win Savage 99?

    I just started to try loads for the Savage 99 358 Win. I have some 200 grain FTX and Speer 180 JFP.
    Powders on hand are H4895, IMR4064, AA201, AA2495, and Re7.
    I would prefer the extra speed of the Speer 180 grain. And the FTX are long and require deep seat to cannular ring, really compressing the powder. Initial loads show a slight advantage in group size to the 200 grain bullets. 1 1/2" vs 2" groups at 100.
    I am now 10 bullets away from being out of the FTX.

    So...
    Do you reload with the 180 Speer, and what is you best load? I last used this bullet in 1985 when I was shooting a Marlin 35 Remington. It worked well on whitetails.

    In a 200 grain bullet, is the Hornady 200 gain spire point shorter so that it does not stick so far into the case as the FTX?
    And then, Sierra or Hornady RN 200 grain? Why?
    I don't want a bullet that extends past the bottom of the case neck when seated to the groove.
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    The 180 Speer has developed to be the preferred 356 and 358 Bullet here, actually arrived at that conclusion long ago, after working thru all the available 200 gr nose bullets. The deciding factor being on deer bullet performance rather than accuracy, or the deep penetration the 200 gr is known for. My loads have been H335 based. On game hits have mostly been woods range hits which are mostly hits inside 50 yards, are spectacular, almost 100 % bag flops. Early on drove the bullet around 2600 fps, which proved a almost a little fast, finding an expanded jacket without a cores stuck in oak bark just beyond a deer on one occasion, this having been a classic high shoulder shot. Moving the load to 2400/2450 fps has proven to be ideal.

    https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/a...wk-35-rem.html This is a series of bullet test I ran on 35 bullets, which suggests the 180 Speer is a deep penetrator, but in actual use has proven to be moderate, would compare it in effect to a basic 150 core lokt or power point out of a 30-06/308, which is saying alot. The 220gr Speer on the other hand in testing and on game has gone deep.
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    2600 is the top end for anything I currently have loaded. I have not shoulder shot a deer since 1980. Learned the hard way about 220 RN in 30-06 and shoulder shots on deer at close ranges (feet, not yards).
    I have shot several with 45-70. Initially used the Remington 300 JHP with top end charge of Re7. But I hit one trotting and the bullet went into the brisket and blew apart. The jacket actually broke into shrapnel and into the lungs to kill it. Since then I shoot the Speer 300. Listed as a JHP, it is actually just a tiny dimple on the flat nose.

    For whitetails, I don't think that any 180 or 200 grain bullet is going to be a penetration issue. Just more concerned about seated depth of the bullet into the case and resulting powder compression.

    Heading to the range later with 180 Speers loaded with H4895, AA2015, and Re7
    2600 is the top end for anything I currently have loaded. I have not shoulder shot a deer since 1980. Learned the hard way about 220 RN in 30-06 and shoulder shots on deer at close ranges (feet, not yards).
    I have shot several with 45-70. Initially used the Remington 300 JHP with top end charge of Re7. But I hit one trotting and the bullet went into the brisket and blew apart. The jacket actually broke into shrapnel and into the lungs to kill it. Since then I shoot the Speer 300. Listed as a JHP, it is actually just a tiny dimple on the flat nose.

    For whitetails, I don't think that any 180 or 200 grain bullet is going to be a penetration issue. Just more concerned about seated depth of the bullet into the case and resulting powder compression.

    Heading to the range later with 180 Speers loaded with H4895, AA2015, and Re7

    Despite what the manufacturers may tell you, I have yet to find the "perfect" bullet, i.e. max expansion at all practical impact ranges, 100% weight retention, and accurate. I settle for best possible accuracy, minimal meat loss, and drop where they stand when shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill2311 View Post
    ............I don't want a bullet that extends past the bottom of the case neck when seated to the groove.
    Why not?
    ..
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    Really compresses the powder charge...
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    Does anyone have the Hornady 200 grain spire point and a 200 FTX that they can tell me how far each extends past the crimp groove?
    How about the Hornady 200 RN vs the Sierra 200 RN?
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    I have used a wide variety of bullets in both the 358, and at present the 356 Winchester.
    I found the Speer 180 gr bullets to be good performers on deer as a rule.
    Of late I have switched my reloading efforts to concentrate on the 250 grain bullet from Hawk bullets, as I find that they do all that I can ask of a bullet on deer and hogs at any reasonable range.
    They offer expansion, and penetration in Spades.
    I do not chase the last iota of velocity, as I have found that these cartridges perform an excellent job at well below the Max loads to be found in reloading manuals. Thus, I have not had any problem with bullets impinging on available powder space.
    I usually try to avoid Compressed loads anyway, as I have never found one in any caliber that topped the accuracy chart compared to lesser volume loadings.
    I have also found that, at least for me, the best accuracy levels for the 180 gr Speer were around 2400 fps, and 2000 fps with the Hawk 250's. Not Barn burners,but they Kill very effectively.
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    I use IMR-4895 with the Hornady 200 gr SP Interlock. The Hodgdons online Reloading Data Center only lists a 49 gr compressed load for this bullet and powder. I have found out that both of my 358 Wins (Savage 99C/Ruger American Predator) like charges in the 48.3 gr to 48.6 gr range. Velocity for both rifles is around 2520-2550 FPS MV (rifle barrels are different lengths) and they can be three shot one inch shooters at 100 yards if I do my part. I will take a look at my stash of SP Interlocks tonight to see how much of a shank they have below the crimp groove.

    BTW--this bullet also works very well in a single shot or box mag 35 Rem with LVR powder................
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