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    Urgent: Rules May Shut Down All Illinois Gun Dealers

    The Illinois state Joint Committee on Administrative Rules is in the process of imposing an additional, onerous layer of state licensing on federally licensed firearm dealers (Senate Bill 337). The proposed rules could potentially strangle your local gun stores with government red tape. Public comments against such oppression are due by October 7th.

    While the purported intent of this law was to enhance “responsible business practices,” its true intention is to shut down as many federally licensed firearm dealers (FFLs) as possible. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) already licenses and closely monitors all FFLs, while strictly enforcing any violation of federal law. SB 337 is not only unnecessary, but it expands mandatory regulations and red tape in order to force the closure of most firearm dealers (and prevent prospective owners from opening new ones).

    For example, the proposed rules would require licensed firearm dealers to install security systems rivaling those of most FDIC-insured banks and casinos. Another particularly expensive proposal would require the installation of license plate-reading cameras in parking lots 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That would not only require each dealer, regardless of how small the business, to purchase and install expensive high definition cameras complete with night vision or strong lighting. Expensive storage for the video data would be required as well, assuming such bandwidth is even available within our smaller communities.

    After stoking hostility to the Second Amendment among larger national retailers, these same politicians are now hoping to shutter the smaller, independently owned businesses within our local community. By forcing local gun shops to collapse under the weight of government red tape, Senate Bill 337 would ultimately put commonly used firearms and ammunition out of reach for many law-abiding citizens, especially in rural areas.

    Please contact the committee and tell them enough is enough. Do not let them curb your freedoms by putting your local gun stores out of business.

    It is important to know that all they are allowed to consider as a reason for rejecting these rules is the impact it would have on small business. They cannot consider 2nd Amendment issues as a basis for rejecting these rules.

    Joint Committee on Administrative Rules
    Co-Chairman Sen. Don Harmon 217-782-8176
    Co-Chairman Rep. Keith Wheeler 217-782-1486
    Sen. Kimberly Lightford 217-782-8505
    Sen. Tony Munoz 217-782-9415
    Sen. Sue Rezin 217-782-3840
    Sen. Paul Schimpf 217-782-8137 (pro gun)
    Sen. Chuck Weaver 217-782-1942 (pro gun)
    Rep. Tom Demmer 217-782-0535 (pro gun)
    Rep. Mike Halpin 217-782-3835
    Rep. Frances Ann Hurley 217-782-8200
    Rep. Steven Reick 217-782-1717
    Rep. Andre Thapedi 217-782-1702

    Please bear in mind that several of the JCAR members are on our side, but it takes a majority vote to reject the rules that were written by the Illinois State Police at the direction of the Governor.


    To the best of my knowledge, the only pro gun organization to have filed a protest with JCAR is Guns Save Lives. The deadline to do so is 4 PM Friday.
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    Let me guess, most if not all those legislators are D's. Regardless, this type of draconian work-a-round attempting to avoid direct infringement of 2nd A rights, needs to be met with fierce push back by law abiding citizens and gun shop owners. These politicos know damn well what they're doing to gun owners and lawful gun businesses and they still impose it.

    Hopefully, the NRA will jump on this filing a stay and law suit. You might organize a blitz of phone calls to the NRA.

    I might add, as gun owners we need to organize a serious effort getting the vote out against these anti-American legislators and vote their butts out of office. Both state and national elections, we need to declare war on them. Especially with the D's attempting a coup against Trump.

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    "I might add, as gun owners we need to organize a serious effort getting the vote out against these anti-American legislators and vote their butts out of office. Both state and national elections, we need to declare war on them. Especially with the D's attempting a coup against Trump."
    --JackTW

    BINGO!

    And I'll add support the pro-firearms advocacy group(s) -- NRA, GOA, etc. -- of your choice.
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    Do they have these same laws for liquor stores! Can't see this standin' if it goes to the state Supreme Court or SCOTUS!
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    We amassed huge protests, biggest in history, when Maryland was going to ban AR's. The legislature didn't care. Again, 70% of those protesting don't vote. Huh. So far the AR limited ban is still in effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKTW View Post
    Let me guess, most if not all those legislators are D's. Regardless, this type of draconian work-a-round attempting to avoid direct infringement of 2nd A rights, needs to be met with fierce push back by law abiding citizens and gun shop owners. These politicos know damn well what they're doing to gun owners and lawful gun businesses and they still impose it.

    Hopefully, the NRA will jump on this filing a stay and law suit. You might organize a blitz of phone calls to the NRA.

    I might add, as gun owners we need to organize a serious effort getting the vote out against these anti-American legislators and vote their butts out of office. Both state and national elections, we need to declare war on them. Especially with the D's attempting a coup against Trump.

    Jack
    Sorry. The NRA didn't know who JCAR was or what they did, until I explained it. They did not write a letter to JCAR detailing the permissible concerns despite urging by myself and others. Late last night they sent out an email alert which is far too little, far too late. Illinois gun owners need to act today as it is the deadline. The Guns Save Lives website has detailed information.

    When a Bill is signed into law, the agency charged with enforcing or regulating from it must first write Rules that govern the method of regulating or enforcing. Those proposed Rules are then submitted to a Committee made up of an equal number of Republicans and Democrats chosen by party leadership to sit on that committee so that the committee can determine:


    if the rules are in keeping with the actual statue;
    if the rules are cost feasible and/or effective on the government itself;
    a variety of other issues that vary from state to state and federal government.


    In Illinois one of those mandated issues would be the effect on smaller businesses which these rules certainly collide with.


    Once the Rule is approved (each state has a different process) by the committee, it becomes codified and the agency can start on written regulations, and written policies and procedures.


    These things are suppose to be done prior to a law going into effect if the change is minor. The creation of a new license category certainly should not been allowed until all of this was done but the Law set a mandatory start date, that ISP could not meet so the dealers have been faced with making a decision of staying in business or going out of business without knowing what the Rules, regulations, and policies and procedures were going to be.


    About 1/2 of the federally licensed dealers chose to quit selling firearms and/or go out of business when the license due date approached, based on what was known. These rules go far beyond what was expected at the time.
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    There is a long term agenda working here, and the public and GOP are too stupid to grasp it.

    "Half a loaf is better than none, and that for now we’d be happy to take just a slice."
    "Our ultimate goal–total control of handguns in the United States–is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to 10 years."
    "The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. "
    "The second problem is to get handguns registered."
    "And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition–except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors–totally illegal."

    --Nelson "Pete" Shields, Handgun Control Inc, New Yorker Magazine, July 2, 1976
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgavin View Post
    There is a long term agenda working here, and the public and GOP are too stupid to grasp it.

    "Half a loaf is better than none, and that for now we’d be happy to take just a slice."
    "Our ultimate goal–total control of handguns in the United States–is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to 10 years."
    "The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. "
    "The second problem is to get handguns registered."
    "And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition–except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors–totally illegal."

    --Nelson "Pete" Shields, Handgun Control Inc, New Yorker Magazine, July 2, 1976
    Much of the public indeed qualifies as stupid. What makes it worse is they are willfully ignorant; just don't want to know. Many in the GOP, not so much. They know the rules, and have inside information we don't. What appears as stupidity and ignoring the obvious is many times tacit support. That's how you identify the ones that need to go.
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