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    White House, Barr Pushing Expanded Background Checks

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    I really don't care about background checks...
    I am *totally* against gun registries.
    There is a huge difference between licensing your car vs licensing your guns.

    Background checks are done BEFORE arms are purchased.
    No firearm database is maintained. Ever.
    No registry means nothing is confiscated.

    These checks are done routinely for a variety of valid reasons.
    Employment, security clearances, and various purchases.
    The background check database is only as accurate as the folks who update it.

    There are well documented cases of bona-fide nutbags not being entered into this database.
    As a result, the nutbag passes the background check and goes on to kill people with guns, fists and cars.

    If a guy fails a background check, the authorities can start due process and present their findings to a judge.
    Firearms are never mentioned, because they (should not) have a firearm registry.
    If they can persuade the judge to issue a warrant that is more substantial than a fishing expedition, they can move forward.

    There is a huge difference between a Background check and a gun registry.
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    Barr is so full of double talk speaking out of both sides of his mouth. I sure don't trust him from what I have seen of his interviews on tv.
    Just $0.02 from an old phart who has seen these stooges come and go all my life. Don't matter who gets elected the skeeters still gonna bite ya in July

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    Long before computer data storage was common, everything was done on paper. Trillions of sheets of paper Nationwide recorded sales, serial numbers, names/dates, and addresses. It appears that the FBI sifted through billions of records, all written on paper and came up with a phony Draft Registration Card from Texas, a sales receipt from Chicago with the serial # of the alleged murder weapon, and a US Postal Money order in just a couple weeks and presented all this airtight evidence to the Warren Commission.
    Screenshot 2019-09-19 at 12.38.13 PM - Edited.png Screenshot 2019-09-19 at 12.38.24 PM - Edited.png Screenshot 2019-09-19 at 12.38.58 PM - Edited.png.

    Do you seriously think that they couldn't nail your ass for anything they want in the computer age? They pulled this one off without computers in a really short time, and it's pretty darn convincing. They can come up with any evidence they want, any time they want, and it will back their case in a Court of Law. You know why? Because THEY CONTROL THE LAW, and the Courts honor their testimony because you're just a criminal scumbag.

    Background checks and registration is eyewash for the sheep. They don't need them.
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    Any sane person realizes guns don't posses criminal intent, it's the human yielding the gun that has criminal intent. Therefore, gun control is somewhat a mute point as long as our current background system isn't appropriately maintained or up-to-date. As proven so often where mass shooters have been recognized to be mental nutjobs prior their mass murdering of innocents.

    I find public sentiment towards gun control alarming as much as I do with authoritarian politicos wishing to impose gun control and gun bans. We are supposed to be a nation of laws but if both the populace and politico's aren't willing to uphold said laws, where in the hell does that leave us?

    Something tells me we're one liberal-sweep-election away from a reckoning. I believe you all know why.

    That said, I'll never understand the mind of those willing to piss away our freedoms and liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKTW View Post
    Any sane person realizes guns don't posses criminal intent, it's the human yielding the gun that has criminal intent. Therefore, gun control is somewhat a mute point as long as our current background system isn't appropriately maintained or up-to-date. As proven so often where mass shooters have been recognized to be mental nutjobs prior their mass murdering of innocents.

    I find public sentiment towards gun control alarming as much as I do with authoritarian politicos wishing to impose gun control and gun bans. We are supposed to be a nation of laws but if both the populace and politico's aren't willing to uphold said laws, where in the hell does that leave us?

    Something tells me we're one liberal-sweep-election away from a reckoning. I believe you all know why.

    That said, I'll never understand the mind of those willing to piss away our freedoms and liberties.

    Jack
    I am at a loss to figure out how our youth in this country are so attracted to Socialism\Communism ideology. Just ask anyone who has escaped from a Communist run regime and they will tell you living in America even with the gun crimes is way better. Why is the media not focusing on interviews with people who have escaped from Communism and all the true stories of what they do to your family after you are turned in as a dissenter.

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    For the sake of argument, let's assume that "expanded" (whatever that means) background checks are the answer.

    My questions are:

    Who creates the vetting criteria? Liberals?

    Who designs the vetting process? Liberals?

    Is there some kind of appeals process if denied?

    How deep a dive into your background is deemed sufficient? Do they also want to see your tax returns? Do they want to know if you ever appeared with shoe polish on your face?

    They can't get criminals to submit to background checks now. How the heck are they going to get criminals to submit to an "expanded" background check?

    Here's a proposed acid test for the "expanded" background check:

    We know the prison population is filled with murderers and other nefarious individuals. Take the murderers and attempted murderers that used a firearm that are in prison now and subject them to what ever the "expanded" background check is/will be. Use available, pre-conviction info.

    Any "fail" (someone that should be denied but isn't) and the process fails.

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    Every database is subject to errors.
    Garbage In = Garbage Out.

    As with all gov't and financial databases, if you are on it error.. good luck getting it corrected.
    Now, apply this error prone process tied to a firearm registry...

    Consider the No-Fly list for terrorists:

    ----------------------------------
    Erroneous No-Fly Entries
    ----------------------------------
    • Baby Doe, 18-month toddler
    • Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), Singer
    • Children, multiple
    • David Nelson, Actor
    • Drew Griffin, Journalist
    • Edward Kennedy, Senator (D-MA) (dead)
    • John Lewis, Congressman (D-GA)
    • Michael Hicks, age 10, Cub Scout
    • Nelson Mandela, President of South Africa (dead)
    • Stephen Hayes, Journalist
    • Dr. Patrick Stephen Hackett, DVM
    • Tom McClintock (R-CA)
    • Riyanna (18-month toddler)

    Dr. Hackett has never been arrested and never traveled to the Middle East or other centers of terrorist activity, but he found out more than a decade ago he’s on the federal watch list because he shares the same name as notorious Irish Republican Army terrorist Patrick Joseph Hackett, who was jailed in the 1970s for planting bombs in Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy23* View Post
    I am at a loss to figure out how our youth in this country are so attracted to Socialism\Communism ideology. Just ask anyone who has escaped from a Communist run regime and they will tell you living in America even with the gun crimes is way better. Why is the media not focusing on interviews with people who have escaped from Communism and all the true stories of what they do to your family after you are turned in as a dissenter.

    My youngest daughter and I recently had a chat regarding why so many young kids are attracted to socialism. She believes it's because they're lazy and are actually stupid enough to believe that a big all powerful government will be benevolent in caring for their needs. So they can just kick back and enjoy life. She finished with... did I mention they're stupid?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKTW View Post
    My youngest daughter and I recently had a chat regarding why so many young kids are attracted to socialism. She believes it's because they're lazy and are actually stupid enough to believe that a big all powerful government will be benevolent in caring for their needs. So they can just kick back and enjoy life. She finished with... did I mention they're stupid?


    Jack
    You raised a child that possesses critical thinking skills.

    Lazy and stupid....here's a perfect example:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...f_hamster.html
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