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    I'm not excited about 350 myself but a buddy just bought one. He is shooting 150gr factory in Ruger BA and claims he is getting 1.5" in 3 shot groups. At 200yds he is claiming 3" with 7"drop from 100yd zero. He doesn't load and called to ask me if I would. I don't have the 350 dies. He is also telling me others are loading them with 9mm/ .356 bullets. The only advantage I can see in it is legal in straight case states and fits an AR. Pardon my lack of enthusiasm.
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    Definition of Good Enough: Ability to walk up to whitetail and place a full-speed/heavy-bullet 357 Mag into its chest with a contact shot.
    . . . from 200 yards away . . . . . . .



    w/ a 16" (15" rifled) ARCarbine


    . . . w/ flat point-blank aimpoint/trajectory
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan alder View Post
    Case capacity in H2O

    30-30 - 45 grains
    35 Rem - 51 grains
    350 Legend - 36.5 grains

    Physics are physics. You can only do so much with limited amount of space. There is no way in hell the 350 will ever come close to a 35 rem. And I'm not even a 35 rem fanboy. 356 rules!
    Not so fast....

    SAAMI MAP (maximum average pressure):
    30-30 - 42,000 psi
    35 Rem - 33,500 psi
    350 Legend - 55,000 psi
    (https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads...ng-Website.pdf)

    As you said, "Physics are physics."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenadier View Post
    Not so fast....

    SAAMI MAP (maximum average pressure):
    30-30 - 42,000 psi
    35 Rem - 33,500 psi
    350 Legend - 55,000 psi
    (https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads...ng-Website.pdf)

    As you said, "Physics are physics."
    So I ran some numbers on quickload. The 350 legend is around 150 fps slower than the 35 Rem in the same barrel length. Tac on another 100 fps slower for a typical 16" barrel for the AR. That is with the same bullet weight. The 35 Rem actually has a SAAMI rating of 35000 psi(33500 cup). So if we are now comparing loads handloading SAAMI pressures are out. The 350 legend is maxed out on pressure. The 35 Rem is not. Let's just add a modest 150 fps to the 35 Rem. Thats 300 fps faster in the same barrel length and 400 fps faster if using a 16" barrel of a 350 legend. Physics is still physics
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    Gentlemen: What part of Good Enough was unclear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mehavey View Post
    Gentlemen: What part of Good Enough was unclear?
    I agree it is good enough. It will slay deer just fine. But what it is not is a 250 yard deer gun or a 35 Rem. And they reason I like the 300 blackout better is because specific bullets are made for it and it has a shoulder. Does it have the power of the 350 legend. Nope
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    I think that the 350 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. We already have the .375 Win. and the 38-55 and they don't depend on the case mouth for headspace.

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    solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
    The 'problem' was a length-limited/straightwall case.
    In addressing that issue, they also addressed standardized gas-gun stress-levels, dimensions, and standard AR boltface.

    Neither the 38-55, nor it's 375Win offspring could satisfy those conditions.
    (Phasers are a next step -- but current millennials will ban them as technologies beyond that envisioned by the 2A framers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan alder View Post
    So I ran some numbers on quickload. The 350 legend is around 150 fps slower than the 35 Rem in the same barrel length. Tac on another 100 fps slower for a typical 16" barrel for the AR. That is with the same bullet weight. The 35 Rem actually has a SAAMI rating of 35000 psi(33500 cup). So if we are now comparing loads handloading SAAMI pressures are out. The 350 legend is maxed out on pressure. The 35 Rem is not. Let's just add a modest 150 fps to the 35 Rem. Thats 300 fps faster in the same barrel length and 400 fps faster if using a 16" barrel of a 350 legend. Physics is still physics
    I wanted to make sure we considered the pressure differences. Those are just as important as differences in case volume.and, yes, it too is part of the physics.

    As to QuickLoad, it is a good tool for estimation and prediction. I use it myself. However, QuickLoad predictions are notoriously inconsistent and sometimes widely inaccurate. That is why the program incorporates a feature that allows you to insert real world data to sort of true it up for a particular cartridge and powder. Finally, the 350 Legend needs a relatively fast burning powder to generate good velocity in a short barrel. The specific powders being used by Winchester and Hornady may not even be available in current QuickLoad powder data. So, in short, though QuickLoad is suggesting notable velocity differences between the two cartridges using the data you entered, I would be careful about putting hard numbers on those differences.

    Is the 350 Legend just a 35 Remington in different dress? Obviously not. But I do agree that the 350 comes close to the 35. It's a subjective statement. Just like saying 10mm ammo from my 6" long slide comes close to .41 Magnum. But subjective also means opinion and we all know about those.

    I will also point out one last thing. Bullet shape. For tubular magazine use the 35 Remington is restricted to round nose, flat nose, or the FTX rubber tip bullets. The 350 Legend is not. In the world of comparisons between these two cartridges, advantages and disadvantages, pointy bullets is a plus for the 350.

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    When was the last time anyone saw 375 Win practice loads or any 38-55 ammo for $9.99 a box? Oh yea, it don’t happen. And since when did the 35 Rem become the gold standard for deer hunting. I would venture to surmise that there have already been as many 350 Legend complete rifles or components to assemble your own sold in the first year as all 35 Rem rifles sold since its release. The 35 ain’t bad but come on. It’s never been real popular.
    the only people real twisted up about the 350 are those that reload.
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