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    Quote Originally Posted by rx7dryver View Post
    At that body weight just about any 357 ammunition will get the job done. If I was picking a load I would use a cast 158g LSWC or a WFN design of about the same weight with a stout dose of H-110 and a magnum primer. Make sure the BHN is hard enough.

    What is it with folks and bullets hard as rocks?

    I spank my 44MAG shooting a 240gr Ranchdog bullet with gascheck past 1700fps and it is cast lead + 3% tin and a gascheck. There is no magic but proper bullet fit. I shoot a Lee 158gr .357 bullet past 1200fps from a 6" barrel, nothing but lead and the above mentioned 3% tin, not even a gascheck.

    You cant make a bullet hard enough to compensate for pi$$ poor fit!

    Ever read anything by an old geezer called Elmer Keith?
    He considered a bullet with 6% tin, hard cast (1:16), and used nothing harder in all his 357MAG and 44MAG shooting and you can hardly argue with that?

    Elmer Keith's favorite cast bullet alloy was 16-to-1 lead/tin, which has a BHN of only 11. This is the alloy that gave a roaring birth to the .44 Magnum using plain-based cast bullets loaded to 1400+ fps. Properly loaded and lubed, Elmer's alloy will leave a magnum revolver barrel shiny and clean after a long day shooting.
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    I can warmly recomend "wasting" a couple of hours reading these pages on cast bullets (considered the best there is on the net!)
    From Ingot to Target: A Cast Bullet Guide For Handgunners, Table of Contents - Fryxell/Applegate
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    Are you shooting these to eventually eat ? If so, you probably don't want a bullet that will expand. A 35 cal hole should suffice to kill a 20-30# animal and still have some left for the grill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenthief View Post
    What is it with folks and bullets hard as rocks?

    I spank my 44MAG shooting a 240gr Ranchdog bullet with gascheck past 1700fps and it is cast lead + 3% tin and a gascheck. There is no magic but proper bullet fit. I shoot a Lee 158gr .357 bullet past 1200fps from a 6" barrel, nothing but lead and the above mentioned 3% tin, not even a gascheck.

    You cant make a bullet hard enough to compensate for pi$$ poor fit!

    Ever read anything by an old geezer called Elmer Keith?
    He considered a bullet with 6% tin, hard cast (1:16), and used nothing harder in all his 357MAG and 44MAG shooting and you can hardly argue with that?


    Comments on cast bullet alloys

    I can warmly recomend "wasting" a couple of hours reading these pages on cast bullets (considered the best there is on the net!)
    From Ingot to Target: A Cast Bullet Guide For Handgunners, Table of Contents - Fryxell/Applegate


    I get what you are saying and I do agree that people use bullets that are way too hard sometimes but you also want to use something other than pure lead at the velocities he would need for 1000lbs.

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    For a .357 round to meet the 1000 ft-lb you'd need a 158 gr bullet at 1700 fps, this will be a bit of an over load, at least according to Hodgdon. You could meet it with a 125 gr. load pushed to 2000 fps. All of this seems a little excessive for such small game, but you can't argue with bureaucracy. Good luck
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    Lever-Action Ballistics: .30-30 vs. .357 Magnum - The Truth About Guns

    This article has some good info. I would go with a 125 JSP and make sure you shoot them through the ribs if you want to eat them.

    http://www.hornady.com/store/357-Mag...EVERevolution/

    The monoflex will get it done also.
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    The muzzle energy requirement of 1,000 ft lbs quoted is accurate. For all other deer a minimum of 1700 ft lbs is required. Amazing.
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    Must be this new breed of armor plated deer witnessed by only the bureaucrats and their pencil pushers. Maybe a different kind of gun control....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFPGW View Post
    The muzzle energy requirement of 1,000 ft lbs quoted is accurate. For all other deer a minimum of 1700 ft lbs is required. Amazing.

    Well, all I can say is them 40 pound monsters must be wearing rhino skin jackets

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    What I read was a min dia of .220 for muntjac and larger for larger deer. That's not hunting. That's vaporizing. A trapdoor 45-70 wouldn't make the cut for larger deer.
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