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    Starting a journey, Paper Patch 38-55

    I have been shooting a 336CB 38-55 for about 4 years with a traditional 250 gr grease groove plain base bullet and a 270 gr GC bullet. Both from Accurate Bullets and both perform well. I have paper patched 45-70 in a 1886 and heavy (400 gr) 45 colt bullets in a 1885 low wall with good success. I am now on a new mission, stepping up the velocity in the 38-55 with a little lighter 237 gr paper patch bullet.

    I drew up a design and had Tom at Accurate cut a block for the bore size of my rifle. So far, I have loaded a few up with H-4198 and chronographed them with reasonable results. The starting load was in the 1,350 fps range and the highest velocity of the first set was around 1,700 fps. The groups tightened up as velocity went up. The final load of 24.0 gr of H-4198 showed no sighs of excess pressure on primer or case, had the lowest fps extreme spread, and produced the best 5 shot group a little less than 1" at 50 yards from rest with tang sights.

    Next trip to the range i will step loads up in smaller increments looking for improvements and post some pictures.

    I am using trace paper, 3 layers, a 3/8" wet floral foam wad (dry of course) over the powder, playing card wad between foam wad and bullet with a light taper crimp. Bullets shot as cast, no sizing yet. I have a Lee size die on order.

    If anyone has experiences with 38-55 Paper Patch, I would appreciate any ideas and possibly different powder options that have performed well for you.

    Thanks,

    38-55 3.jpgPP Mold 38-55.png38-55 Paper Patch.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herrschutz View Post
    I have been shooting a 336CB 38-55 for about 4 years with a traditional 250 gr grease groove plain base bullet and a 270 gr GC bullet. Both from Accurate Bullets and both perform well. I have paper patched 45-70 in a 1886 and heavy (400 gr) 45 colt bullets in a 1885 low wall with good success. I am now on a new mission, stepping up the velocity in the 38-55 with a little lighter 237 gr paper patch bullet.
    I am going through "Forty Years with the 45-70" by Paul A. Matthews. The primary advantage appears to be shooting softer lead bullets at higher velocity, so you have more expansion without leading. I am also assuming in the case of your 1885 45-70 shooting 45 Colt bullets, the paper patches made up for the difference between the 45-70 bullets and the smaller 45 Colt bullet diameter. I would like to hear more about your PPB in your 45-70.
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    The PP bullet for the 45-70 Win 1886 is a traditional cowboy bullet for the 45 Colt, 230 gr. No lube and 3 layers of trace paper wrap. Target from rest at 50 yards using Williams Peep and Lyman 17A front globe. 14 gr Unique with filler material and playing card paper wad under bullet.

    230 gr PP 9# 45-70 50 yards.jpg 230 gr Bullet.png


    The 1885 Low Wall in 45 Colt is on the other end of the weight spectrum. With 30-1 alloy it drops at 410 gr. I orderd the mold cut at .441" and size to .440" and add two layers of notebook paper wrap.

    410 gr PP bullet.png
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