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    PP the Lee C309-170-F

    Patched these a slightly different way than I usually do, and added a gas-check.

    In my Micro-Groove barrel, the driving area of pushed-thru slugs come out at 308

    First, 3-in-a-row, on the left, the as-cast in very soft (BHN 6) roofing lead, middle, the driving bands sized 308, then finally on the right, a double patch of tracing paper (water made milky with a very dilute PVA glue), lubed with Paul A Matthews Lube and graphite rubbed. Our very own Hudson's 30 cal PP template.



    Here's the nearly completed head, I give it one final trip thru the 308 Lee push-thru sizer die



    I roll a razor blade in the gap between the gas check and the bullet, to remove the paper over the gas check, as when I left it there I was ripping too many of the wraps.

    Next, in neck-sized brass, expanded minimally with a Lyman 30-Short M-Die, seated to 2.550 and just barely enough roll-crimp, only enough so I can't spin the head by twisting the bullet in the brass with finger pressure. I pulled a few, and the wraps are not being torn. They also feed thru the magazine fine which is surprising, but I prefer to load these singly.

    The round has been chambered and ejected to show the amount of bore-ride the wrap is getting (helped by the shrink-back of the pure lead), with faint rifling impressions. The effort to close the lever is minimal, far less felt pressure than my previous PP methods.



    These pure-lead come in at 180 grains. Have some H4198 powder, going to need to look up a good load next.

    What I did before, was paper-wrap first, then lube and size down. Have to admit, it did work fine, but the wraps were a little more distorted on chambering the rounds than this method.Also it's the first time I cut off the paper around the gas-checks. Be interested to see if they perform any better.

    The thing about patching 30's is you really get to know when you need a new spectacle prescription...
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    Time on your hands much?

    You're dedicated, hope they work out well for you.

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    When you see the cost of hunting ammunition where I live, you will understand why driving pure lead quickly and accurately is well worth the time...

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    If you have any 4350, fill the case with that and see how it shoots. In my own rifles it's about as accurate as anything can be and goes plenty fast for hunting. I haven't been able to equal the velocity and accuracy using 4198 and PP bullets.
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    Nobade, thanks, just what I was after. I will ask my friendly dealer to get me a tub.

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    21gr of the 4198 Should be Plenty Fast enough w/ Pure Lead PP.
    Looks Great to Me. Shoot the Same Boolit Cast from WW w/ Copper Gas Checks.
    I use 28gr IMR-3031 for around 1958fps. Very Accurate in my '74 336.
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    looks good Glen

    I'm going to try pping too.

    I've the same mould too and a lot of other moulds as well.

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

    JHL

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    Typical recovery from a deep box of wet newspaper, 100 yards.

    Nice to see home-made checks staying on just fine even after digging deeeeeep into that wet paper.

    22.0 grains H4198 behind that pure-ish lead Lee 309-170-F paper-patched.

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    Another pic just for fun.

    Some of the various 22 CF boys took a fancy to blastin one or two into my boxes of wet newspapers. Most of the SP and HP jacketed 22x's were disintegrated early on, making a big wide pocket sure enough, but not very deep, about 6 inches. Only some FMJ went a bit deeper into the papers, but the 45-70 far eclipsed them in penetration, despite opening up to these sizes.

    I know this all been done a million times before, but when you do it yourself for the fist time, it's pretty cool to open up those shot-up boxes of paper. Like a box of chocolates, you just don't know what you're gonna get... go Paper-Jackets !

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