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    Frankmako, good range report. How fast were the top end loads? My loads of n110 and h4895 were also in the 1500-1600 range. Will try that buffalo powder next time I need to buy . Might be worth a experimenting in .32-20 also, though I don't know anyone using 5744 in that cartridge.

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    I thought I had a lee collet crimp did so I could get a crimp on these bullets but it did not so I have one on order.

    I use 5744 in my Savage muzzleloader so I know that 5744 is getting spendy. I did not know gay Buffalo Rifle was a 5744 equivalent but I did know that it looked useful to me when you look at the data and burn chart so I have a few unopened pounds from when midsouth was running the free hazmat promotion. Based on the post above I think I know where I am going to start loading Berry’s bullets for plinking. Probably going to use these first in the 94 Winchester as it will be a very pleasant load in the light rifle.

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    the reason i jumped on buffalo rifle was the price of 5744 jumped well over $200.00 dollars plus. i talked with ken johnson of shooters world and found that buffalo rifle was the old 5744 powder and a one of one powder weight drop would work. so here are my numbers across my 1982 year model chronograph between 5744 and buffalo rifle.

    test rifle 1950 marlin 336 waffle top 24 inch barrel. standard large rifle primers, winchester cases. 150 gr plated bullet.

    aa 5744 - 17.5 grs - 1,566 fps
    buffalo rifle - 17.5 grs- 1,462 fps

    aa 5744 - 18.0 grs - 1,621 fps
    buffalo rifle - 18.0 - 1,469 fps

    aa 5744 - 20.0 - 1,841 fps
    buffalo rifle - 20.0 - 1,651 fps

    the aa 5744 was dropped by a rcbs uniflow powder dropper and was one year old. buffalo rifle powder was dropped by a rcbs chargemaster last week.

    the berry and x-treme plated bullet has a limate of 1,950 fps. so i stopped with buffalo rifle at 23.0 grs that gave me 1,890 fps.

    my group test the 18.5 was tops hands down. the 1,555 fps speed just works best in the old waffle top. that why the aa 5744 speed i used was 1,566 fps.

    so if you use 5744 and are looking for a lower price powder then buffalo rilfe is for you.
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    How is the bulkiness of Buffalo compared to 5744? did it fill the case about the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAndy View Post
    How is the bulkiness of Buffalo compared to 5744? did it fill the case about the same?
    the same. it is hard to tell them apart. the current 5744 is just a little darker. or it could be my bad eyes.

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    Jeeze! Wish I had seen this post last month. Bought some of these bullets 2 - 3 weeks ago for my M1894 .44 Mag.



    Quote Originally Posted by rob42049 View Post
    My 1894's, both of them, hated the .430" 240 grain Berry's plated. Scattered them like buckshot. They're probably too small for the Marlin .431"-.432" groove diameter. I loaded them over 8.8 grains of Unique thinking they'd be ok. Nope. At the 135 yard gong, they were 4 feet off in random directions. Oh,well. You've got to try everything once.

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    Land cruiser

    For the Marlin 44 mag and the 240 gr plated bullet the only load that I have found that will group good out to 150 meters is 9 grs of unique with a lite taper crimp. Not a hard load but groups good out to 100 meters and opens up at 150. Several years ago I tried the 44 mag with several different bullets and powders for pistol cartridge and rifle cartridge silhouette. I got it to work for pistol cartridge but couldn't get the 200 meter ram to work in rifle cartridge (cla ). As far as I can tell the Marlin 1894 in 44 mag has two problems. First is the twist rate is wrong. Second you need to slug the barrel to see the size. The barrel sizes are big so you need a bullet that fills the barrel.

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    I tried them a couple of years ago in my Marlin. Load was 13.0 / 2400. Velocity, around 1600fps. After adjusting elevation I shot this 5 shot group @ 50 yards. It was repeatable, not a fluke. Same load in my Win 94 was not as accurate as cup and core bullets.
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    I have the same problem with my Henry 44, with a twist of 1/38. Henry says it is optimized for the 44 Mag. It will NOT shoot 240gr cast bullets. Every ballistic program I tested in said you need at least a 1/30 so I had to go to a 200gr round nose then it works fine. Marlin and Henry are 1/38, I think Winchester is 1/30 and Rossi is 1/24. Why did they go with 1/38? Every pistol is about 1/20 or 1/24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAndy View Post
    Has anyone had good luck with Berry's 30 caliber plated bullets? What velocity? I shot some 100 gr .32 cal last fall in my .32-20 Marlin and they worked fairly decent...better than lead bullets in my situation. that was in the 1200+ fps range. I may try some for chickens and pigs in the Winchester .30-30

    Off-season reloading project, if I get the time and weather to work on it.
    I use them in large bore handgun and if you stay within their velocity constraints they work well. The main purpose of plated was to keep your barrel from lead fouling. The plated copper jacket is still very soft as I have seen these bullets just splat into dust on steel plate targets where as a traditional jacketed bullet will leave a big crater in the plate steel and in some cases I have punctured through 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch mild steel targets with Mag pistol loads.
    If hunting game keep this in mind and make shot placement a priority to make up for the softer bullet.


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