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    Unknown M1 carbine cartouches and strange slot cut for you gurus to ponder

    Hello, my friends, it has been a while, but I have been busy getting a lit healthier and eating my Wheaties.
    This meant a lot of work around "the ranch", and building stuff, so I have no been on here as much as i would have liked.
    OK, if I am forgiven, I have two questions for any M1 Carbine gurus out the who might know.

    It is an Inland 8-43. So far the rear sight numbers (J.A.O.) agree with Inland, and so does the B R on the stock, though the B is gouged all to hell. I am in the process of verifying all the other numbers, but wanted to get this out first.

    First:
    I have two cartouches flanking the smaller ordnance acceptance stamp of cross cannons and they both are weird.
    The one to the left has lines or letters in a circle.
    The one on the right has other lines or letters in a circle of the same diameter but I can not find them in the 8th edition of the "War collectors " book I got.

    Second:
    The upper handguard has a slot cut into it 2 3/4 inches long and 1/2 inch wide from the front.
    There are also two circular impressions on the inside left at its base but none on the right side.
    The guy i bought it from said his uncle told him it was for a vertical handguard/switch for night vision when he was in Okinawa.

    I know you "buy the gun and not the story", but this guy did not seem to now much about guns and even had to hitchhike to meet me at the place he kept the gun.
    I feel confident he was not some internet gun runner as he did not even have a vehicle to drive to our meeting place.

    At $700, I may have paid too much for it, but the more i research, the more I find it may just be the real deal.

    At first i thought the stock may not be original because of its sheen, but then read GIs were issued linseed oil to rub on their stocks to help keep them waterproof and over a short period of time they WOULD develop a sheen to them from all the oil and rubbing.

    OK, enough gab, here are two pages of pics.

    I would like to thank everyone in advance for whatever their input.

    Dave

    PS...it also had a solid piece of steel instead of an oiler in the stock.
    GI expedient?

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    M1carbine 007.JPG
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    As you look at the slot, notice it seems to be of the exact same distance from the muzzle as the night vision carbine's vertical handguard in the other file photo.

    M1carbine 010.JPG

    M1 carbine night vision.jpg
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    SIDE NOTE:
    Did you know the rear buttstock plate screw has been the very same one made since 1855 ?!?!?

    Why fix it if all you need it to do is hold a plate to the wood stock.

    I thought that was an interesting bit of trivia.
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    Now you need the night vision kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffletop View Post
    Now you need the night vision kit.

    Right now it is only a guess and speculation, but this is why I have to keep asking questions....but it sure looks like they both are anchored at the very same point on the forearm, don't they?

    But....I will settle for a good original USGI M4 bayonet and scabbard.
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    Could the first 2 pictures be battle field art?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pig Ninja View Post
    Could the first 2 pictures be battle field art?

    At this point I will believe anything.
    Are you saying maybe their initials all superimposed over each other in a circle?
    That was my first thought when i saw them.

    As a Navy cop I did something like that to my baton.
    Wrote my first and last name on top of it but super imposed the letters over each other.

    Your guess is as good as mine.
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    I do not think that is a US cartouche and as for a bit of battle field art, I think it's too perfect of straight lines and even spacing.
    Could the rifle had been in service in another country? Maybe by knowing the year it was made would help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alawrence View Post
    I do not think that is a US cartouche and as for a bit of battle field art, I think it's too perfect of straight lines and even spacing.
    Could the rifle had been in service in another country? Maybe by knowing the year it was made would help?
    Andrew
    That is what I also think may be the correct answer.
    Everything points to it being made 8-43 by Inland.
    Possibly some other country used them and stamped them with their own cartouche?
    What is especially nice is there are no import stamps on it anywhere.
    So maybe it came back to the US before 1968?
    Or maybe it was brought back by a foreign soldier.

    I worked with a guy who was French and carried a carbine the whole time he was in Nigeria with the French Army.
    Somehow he said he had his original carbine with him.
    I doubted what he said until he got into a heated argument with a Vietnamese customer and brought it in with him the next day...."just in case".

    It seems anything goes with these little rifles.

    My best guess is what you also think......a foreign cartouche lightly stamped and then outlined in India ink.
    The US stamp is also pretty light but made better to see with some kind of ink to highlight it more.

    Very odd for sure.
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    The slot is for an oiler,one side is usually ramped for a sling as well.
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