Found one down at a Buddy's Shop an H&R 1871 Buffalo Classic in 45/70.
The other one was at this weekends Ohio Gun Collectors Show a Wesson & Harrington 1871 38-55 Single Action Society or SASS.
The 38-55 has a Rear Creed moor Venear Tang sight- Forgive spelling on Veinear and on the Front is the changeable Front Sight Disc fro David Pardesoli.
Anyway very happy to find these 2 old rifles in very nice shape. Now just trying to find any information on or about them.