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    Ochute, I think that you have answered your own question. Many years ago when I was a teenager, a man that lived part of the year in Michigan and the other part in Southern Illinois, told stories of hunting black bears in upper Michigan in brush so thick that he could whisper to his buddy, but not see him. Their weapons of choice were .35 Remington caliber lever guns. The few people that I know that have hunted with both the 30-30 and the .35 Rem. swear by the .35 Rem.

    Again back to when i was a teenager, in Outdoor Life and Sports Afield articles about hunting in Africa, the backup weapon of choice on an African safari was a Greener, 12 ga. double barreled shotgun. Nothing else would stop a charging lion quicker or more certainly that the big Brenneke slugs. l know that Alaska is not Africa and a Brown Bear is not a lion, but ask yourself this, whom is protecting whom and from what?

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    I go with the Browning 81' BLR take down in 450 Marlin as my bush plane bear defence/survival gun.
    The 350 grain jacketed FP bullet carrying 3500 ft-lbs in muzzle energy will send any North American animal backside over tea kettle and it won't get back up.
    It has a really effective Pachmayr recoil pad on it, is box fed and has no lawyer safety junk to screw up at the moment of truth when your life is on the line.
    (Murphy's Law: whatever can go wrong WILL go wrong and at the worst possible time)
    It still kicks but I figure a sore shoulder is better than a missing shoulder that has been torn away by the jaws of an angry brown bear.

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    I go along with Jack in post #6. Let her shoot and carry what she shoots best. Buy the Buffalo Bore ammo, you sight it in to hit the same point of aim of what your girlfriend usually shoots and only load those once in bear country. Just tell her not to pull the trigger unless there is a bear charge or you unload for other game. A good recoil pad will do wonders if you haven't tried them.

    Odds of being attacked by a bear is so remote I wouldn't worry about it and as for bear spray, it has been proven very effective. Nothing says one can't carry a can of the stuff on their belt while also carrying a gun.
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    If you have any doubts about how effective the venerable 30-30 is, give this a read:
    .30-30 stops a Killer Grizzly at 6 feet

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    Then bring the 30-30
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    One thing I know:
    A vehicle can be totally destroyed by a bear, doors pulled open, seats and interior demolished chasing the scent of Twinkies or such... yeah stay in the vehicle...but take the 30 - 30 with you!
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    Would vote for what she already shoots best with a 30-30 and the 170 grains. Just shared a meal with a friend from northwest Alaska where we met. I know we both have seen a lot of all three. Since this topic has comes up a lot and he stays out much more than most of us I asked him about how many bear he has shot and with what. Not that many for all the outdoor time all four seasons. Three brown bear that ignored a shot next to them and/or just a full on charge. We agree a bluff charge usually has drama at the start. Clicking teeth, huffing, swinging the head, rolling their weight from one foot to the other front leg, etc. Straight charges are immediately different. He uses a 22 Hornet for a lot, including caribou and the big 30-30 for bear. He uses the green box 170's as they are sold in any village store I have visited.

    I have gotten all citified and now load mine with the 170 grain Nosler partition. It just goes deeper. The person I know outside of guide friends is a senior elder and she is just tempered about a bear making noise or moving toward her kids and grand kids. We do not feel unsafe with a 30-30. Mine is a Take Down trapper that fits an old spotting scope case. That small and handy. If she can handle the 30-30 she likely will just enjoy the green box 45-70 load a small push rather the snap of a lot of magnums. I feel better with my 45-70.

    As for the bear spray a lot of people carry it, some know how to use it and it is better by percentage than hand guns. Mostly for not enough practice by the ones who carry handguns. My practice now also has three targets one closer than the next and have a friend yell "Bear Front or back" and go either back to front or front to back as told. It simulates a small bit of the pressure and for most us it makes humble people. Makes most know there is often not much time to do something right.

    Welcome to Alaska and hope you both just enjoy the experience. BE aware, don't go where you see a lot of bear scat, ALWAYS put food away from you and in a bear canister. Leaving it in a plane or truck is just bad for both. Learn some good behavior. Never square up toward one or direct eye contact as you are making a challenge. Step back sideways with your feet sliding along the ground to avoid falling, Talk quietly about respect and wanting to leave his/her home. Do not show your back. Most of this is unlikely to be needed unless your hitting some good salmon holes or a downed animal.

    The other thing, tourists who litter we use to keep most bear happy.
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    I have rolled a couple of rather large black bears with a .30-30, and was really surprised at one. 80 yard uphill shot, and at the crack of the rifle, I had to find somewhere to hide from that large carcass rolling downhill at me.

    As one poster said, a hit with a .30-30 would be better than a miss with a more authoritive cartridge.

    Do not dismiss the ability of the little Winchester round.
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    Just stuff a Limb Saver on the butt, and make the nastiest 30-30 rounds known to man. She wont feelem
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    Thanks for the response every one. I really appreciate it. I am almost embarrassed to say that I have never shot a 45-70 as it is really beyond what I would need as a colorado black bear gun. I also am not a hunter. So now I fires I'm just gonna have to go buy one... oh darn amother new gun... and see how she likes it. If not guess I will have to continue the hunt for her.
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